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bespoke radio

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for the masses headline additional july

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8th 1947 the army air forces has

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announced that a flying disc

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has been found and is now in the

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possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly

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differences worldwide would vanish

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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outside

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church

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on the game changer radio network and

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kgra

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i need your help to get to the year 1984

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you are listening to fade to black with

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good evening night

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vader black

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bespoke radio

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for the

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how you doing today's wednesday march

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83 days into the new year

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only 282 days left

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we're live from a bunker somewhere in

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the middle of beautiful downtown burbank

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california

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and i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world

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all across the united states

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hither and tither to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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and south

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this is fade to black for kjcr the game

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changer network and kgra

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the planet our murals jimmy church what

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is

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cracking everybody all right

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big toast tonight

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i wouldn't have known renee reminded me

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tonight is show number 1400

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that's a one of four and two zeros

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1400 wow

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there you go

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ah 1400 shows

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i don't even know how to do the math how

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do you do the math

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let's see four shows a week

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52 weeks in a year so

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it's four times 52 so that's 200

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and then you have the two extra if it's

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50 it's two

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then you have the 2x is that 208 shows a

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is that is that even right math so

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that means we do a hundred shows every

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shows in in six months so

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what month are we in right now so we're

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march so we have

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april may june july august

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1500 is that i don't know

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i don't know but tonight's show number

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thank you all right i posted today i

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and i i really don't it's all run

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but um but thank you uh renee for

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reminding us of that uh it's uh

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it's uh pretty remarkable tonight's show

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number 1400

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and tonight we welcome on show number

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1400

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it's the return of terry lovelace

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so looking forward to this and tomorrow

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night's another fader night

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with open lines all night long show

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number 1401

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is fader night yeah that's pretty cool

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that's pretty cool

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and a couple of things i got to jump

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through and i did this every night this

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week and i'm going

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to do it again tonight in that i don't

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tonight i don't have anything uh planned

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tonight ronnie mcmullen is going to join

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us here in a few minutes

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so i'm just going to run through

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everything right

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now as quick as i can in five minutes

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that's right i'm just gonna run through

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everything tonight terry lovelace

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this weekend saturday the 27th saturday

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i will be doing a ghost investigation

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with the dark zone

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at the lapd police museum

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and i'll be there saturday night the

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event itself is friday saturday and

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sunday

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it's simple enough to do get over to

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thedarkzone.tv that's it

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go and get your tickets i'll be there

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all night

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uh i almost said wednesday i'll be there

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all night

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saturday all right

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saturday it's going to be great i i'm so

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looking forward to man had ryan cassidy

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on the show last night ryan cassidy

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unbelievable i i can't wait to get him

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i cannot wait and uh get your own

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crystal skull

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do it now go to carolyn ford's website

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it is einstein

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the crystalskull.com the links are over

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go and click promo code jimmy 10

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again the links are everywhere

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go and click get your tickets

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now it's going to sell out all right i

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i just want to see a

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c i just oh i missed that

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i missed that so yeah go and get that

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now okay it's very simple all you got to

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do is go to their amazon store

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that's it the links are over at

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head over to their um uh amazon store

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and uh tonight through midnight

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with the promo code jimmy fade 15. all

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upper caps i understand i think it's all

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uppercase jimmyfade15

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the deal of the year right there it's

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somebody's birthday

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and this is our birthday celebration but

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i'll announce

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that tomorrow

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all right let's get to show crack and

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happy birthday to today

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jim parsons is 48 the big bang theory

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jessica chastain is 44

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of course the star of interstellar

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alison hannigan

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today is 47 years old and i know what

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you're going allison hannigan who

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what what i'm going to say one thing

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this one time at band camp

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that's right happy birthday allison 47

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bassist nick lowe today is 71.

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nina is 61.99 left balloons

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bass goddess carol k

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today 86 years old probably

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probably certainly the most prolific

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bass player

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in history probably

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the the most recorded most hit most of

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most of everything

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10 000 recordings in a career spanning

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over 50 years

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she played base on everything you've

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happy birthday carol k on the stay in

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history otd 1958 elvis presley is

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into the army fader fact

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okay i i i'm doing this in celebration

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of the show tonight

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and i hope i hope

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terry lovelace is listening right now

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fader fact

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the republic of vermont

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their own country that lasted from

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that's right canada so

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yeah the united states got both vermont

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it's vetted that's a fact that's a fact

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tonight very special guest it is the

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return

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of terry lovely stay right there kids

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tomorrow it's another fader night with

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all night long and right now on time

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the man ronnie mcmullen ronnie good

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how you doing jimmy i'm fantastic how

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are you i'm doing good

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i made it see this is the thing

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it ain't live radio unless you're tense

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that's it i i gotta be tense i gotta be

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tense where's ronnie i don't know

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anybody heard from ronnie haven't heard

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from ronnie okay

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you know we go live in five minutes yeah

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don't have anything prepared

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i i know okay well what are we going to

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i don't know i don't know i i have faith

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you'd pull it off

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but but i do like coming on the show i

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don't want to burn that

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privilege oh man you know

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could you imagine the the broken hearts

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ronnie if i said something like

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ronnie mcmullen had his voice box

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and and he will not be appearing on the

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ever again the email the drama

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the sadness

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well that's a movie it's a movie

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that is a movie how's life man hey uh be

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before we move forward um i always like

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to share

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uh with the world i don't do it until

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you're on the show with us

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but uh my my health drama right

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i'm always going through weird stuff and

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and it's you know it's nothing

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life-changing uh

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it's nothing life-changing but um

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uh everything that i go through

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i fix with ronnie mcmullen

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and it's it's just like this weird thing

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ah man i feel we're uh life change tea

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we've got something in here don't we we

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do ronnie

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that's so funny so a couple of weeks ago

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it was just my digestive system you know

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all the way through nothing

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you know not it's nothing gross or

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anything like that but i had this

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in in me and you know what ronnie it was

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and it just got me right it got me right

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and

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after about three days of just feeling

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weird i woke up in the morning

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and next to next to our bed is uh the

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master bath but when you look through

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the bathroom door

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there's a giant mirror in front of the

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sinks right you know what i'm talking

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about

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which i can see from my bed i sat up

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i looked right through the bathroom at

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myself in the mirror and

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said these words i feel

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oh man and it's because of you and uh so

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thank you

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i and i don't even know what was going

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on um

303
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it's uh you know when you were young

304
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i'm rambling now but you know when

305
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you're young and you've got an issue

306
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there's just i'll put my career chrome

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on it you know do this

308
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you know it was like the cure-all for

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everything i don't

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i i don't feel well take take take a

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baby aspirin

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okay all right you know what i mean it

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was just always that

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and and that's that's what i do with uh

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life change teeth there's always the

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go-to

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and and and i get fixed i do i do

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how you doing how's life life's good

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it's uh always changing you do you know

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what i was going to ask you you're over

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there in california

322
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so what is the deal with newsome you

323
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guys can't seem to get rid of him ma'am

324
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i don't do politics on the show but that

325
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dude right now

326
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that dude is everybody's best friend

327
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if you want some you know what i mean

328
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right now he's in the hot seat

329
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so if you want something done right now

330
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in california

331
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now's the time now's the time to speak

332
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up because you're going to get whatever

333
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ills you

334
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i guarantee it i i guarantee it yeah

335
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so you're coming out this way right yes

336
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i am

337
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and visiting the ventura beaches ah

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okay all right are you driving

339
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yes driving you're driving so and you're

340
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going to drive to the ventura beaches

341
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yeah i've actually got some business up

342
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in los olivos but

343
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uh you got to stop at the beach when

344
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you're at the beach you just got to stop

345
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there there's a million places to do

346
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that too as well

347
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um that's that's the beautiful thing

348
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about the california coast

349
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you just go you pull over when you're

350
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ready the rest of it is just driving

351
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and and looking out the window going man

352
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i love this country

353
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yes it's it's uh um it's pretty amazing

354
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well you know what and the farther north

355
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you go

356
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um the more you know look there's

357
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nothing wrong with malibu and zuma

358
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and and and santa monica and all of that

359
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and it's beautiful in the homes and

360
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stuff but once you get out of that

361
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stretch

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and you um are truly heading north

363
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um the the beauty gets more dramatic

364
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you have less houses you have all of

365
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that and then

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and once you get through all of that you

367
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know you go through monterey

368
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and you know you know past san francisco

369
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and keep going

370
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yeah yeah it it it gets a little nippy

371
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it's a little windy it's a different

372
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kind of beach than san diego it's uh

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cold and sometimes breezy and

374
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you know but uh i i still love it it's

375
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still beautiful

376
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it's dramatic you know it is the stuff

377
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that you

378
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see it is incredible it is

379
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just it's uh the the california coast

380
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there's nothing like it

381
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the world so

382
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but i'm a native californian so that's

383
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cheating yeah it is cheating but you're

384
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coming out here and again

385
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i'm not going to see you you're just

386
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going to blow past us

387
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and and head straight to that it's going

388
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to wave at you though so do you see my

389
00:19:53,590 --> 00:19:50,480
wave

390
00:19:55,830 --> 00:19:53,600
yeah yeah yeah yeah just call me

391
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actually you're just so busy i'm lucky

392
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to get it but rita invited me so that

393
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was sweet

394
00:20:03,110 --> 00:20:01,440
yeah she told me and uh and i don't know

395
00:20:04,230 --> 00:20:03,120
maybe we can i don't know maybe we can

396
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pull something off

397
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i'm working all i'm working saturday

398
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night

399
00:20:11,830 --> 00:20:10,320
uh i'm doing uh a ghost investigation

400
00:20:14,070 --> 00:20:11,840
with the dark zone so i'm gonna go out

401
00:20:17,510 --> 00:20:14,080
and do this live uh tv thing

402
00:20:21,590 --> 00:20:17,520
um which is cool but uh i'm free

403
00:20:25,110 --> 00:20:21,600
friday and sunday let's just do this

404
00:20:27,590 --> 00:20:25,120
let's do this on the air right now

405
00:20:28,149 --> 00:20:27,600
let's do this on the air um what is

406
00:20:30,950 --> 00:20:28,159
internet

407
00:20:33,029 --> 00:20:30,960
you can join us for dinner yeah well

408
00:20:35,750 --> 00:20:33,039
what's your favorite stop on the coast

409
00:20:37,430 --> 00:20:35,760
before we get to life change tea

410
00:20:38,789 --> 00:20:37,440
my favorite stop on the coast do you

411
00:20:41,510 --> 00:20:38,799
mean where i for

412
00:20:44,549 --> 00:20:41,520
food or yeah just your favorite your

413
00:20:49,270 --> 00:20:47,430
i don't know if i have a favorite i mean

414
00:20:50,789 --> 00:20:49,280
you know actually you don't yes i do

415
00:20:52,870 --> 00:20:50,799
there's a favorite that kind of gets me

416
00:20:55,909 --> 00:20:52,880
warm in the heart and it gets me warm

417
00:20:59,350 --> 00:20:55,919
in the food and that's uh in

418
00:21:03,430 --> 00:20:59,360
uh burbank bob's big boy

419
00:21:05,350 --> 00:21:03,440
oh really okay isn't that crazy but it

420
00:21:08,470 --> 00:21:05,360
has to do with the child thing

421
00:21:11,750 --> 00:21:08,480
well yeah yeah it does and it is

422
00:21:13,110 --> 00:21:11,760
a lot of fun i was thinking uh something

423
00:21:14,630 --> 00:21:13,120
up the coast though you're going to

424
00:21:19,590 --> 00:21:14,640
ventura

425
00:21:22,789 --> 00:21:19,600
mexican food places that are pretty good

426
00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:22,799
yeah oh no no ventura's full of

427
00:21:25,750 --> 00:21:23,760
restaurants

428
00:21:27,669 --> 00:21:25,760
and and especially right there on the

429
00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:27,679
water there's a lot of stuff

430
00:21:32,070 --> 00:21:30,480
um but going north i mean once you get

431
00:21:36,390 --> 00:21:32,080
past santa barbara

432
00:21:39,350 --> 00:21:36,400
because then you have like uh uh naples

433
00:21:39,830 --> 00:21:39,360
uh you have uh gaviota but then once you

434
00:21:43,190 --> 00:21:39,840
go

435
00:21:45,510 --> 00:21:43,200
up past now yeah see what you want to do

436
00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:45,520
you want to get to pismo beach

437
00:21:49,350 --> 00:21:48,400
uh you want to go to morro bay uh morro

438
00:21:52,710 --> 00:21:49,360
bay is just

439
00:21:55,430 --> 00:21:52,720
absolutely incredible great seafood um

440
00:21:56,390 --> 00:21:55,440
i like all of those spots cambria is

441
00:21:59,430 --> 00:21:56,400
great

442
00:22:02,710 --> 00:21:59,440
um uh ragged point

443
00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:02,720
is cool um

444
00:22:06,230 --> 00:22:04,000
and then of course you go all the way up

445
00:22:10,149 --> 00:22:06,240
there you go to big sur well

446
00:22:12,789 --> 00:22:10,159
see um yes i like

447
00:22:13,909 --> 00:22:12,799
i like things almost touristy now yeah i

448
00:22:17,830 --> 00:22:13,919
was just going to say

449
00:22:20,870 --> 00:22:17,840
go just past big sur right

450
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:20,880
you know what i mean big sur itself

451
00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:23,770
is not the big serve from the 1970s and

452
00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:25,440
[Music]

453
00:22:30,149 --> 00:22:27,120
it's still 1980s but no it's kind of

454
00:22:31,110 --> 00:22:30,159
overrun i i like that giant rock that's

455
00:22:33,669 --> 00:22:31,120
there and

456
00:22:34,149 --> 00:22:33,679
but you guys have big pieces of roadway

457
00:22:36,070 --> 00:22:34,159
being

458
00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:36,080
lost on highway one i mean what's with

459
00:22:40,789 --> 00:22:37,440
that now i don't

460
00:22:43,029 --> 00:22:40,799
uh i'm wondering if you have to go

461
00:22:45,510 --> 00:22:43,039
around all of that that that because

462
00:22:47,510 --> 00:22:45,520
that that dropped into the water

463
00:22:50,149 --> 00:22:47,520
oh i know i mean that fixing that's

464
00:22:54,070 --> 00:22:50,159
gonna be a they might bridge that one

465
00:22:57,110 --> 00:22:54,080
it's uh that's exactly

466
00:22:58,870 --> 00:22:57,120
right i thought about that i looked at

467
00:23:01,430 --> 00:22:58,880
that i thought what are you gonna do

468
00:23:03,350 --> 00:23:01,440
you can't fill that in no i'd take a

469
00:23:05,909 --> 00:23:03,360
bazillion trucks and it'd go away

470
00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:05,919
right right no you got to build a bridge

471
00:23:09,750 --> 00:23:06,480
so

472
00:23:11,650 --> 00:23:09,760
behind that

473
00:23:12,870 --> 00:23:11,660
oh man he had to go there

474
00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:12,880
[Laughter]

475
00:23:16,630 --> 00:23:16,000
you had to go there you know what you

476
00:23:18,710 --> 00:23:16,640
know uh

477
00:23:21,029 --> 00:23:18,720
speaking of you know and again we don't

478
00:23:24,470 --> 00:23:21,039
do politics on this show but

479
00:23:27,909 --> 00:23:24,480
i do find it interesting how

480
00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:27,919
uh and it's not just gavim uh there

481
00:23:31,350 --> 00:23:29,760
gavin newsom there are a lot of

482
00:23:33,029 --> 00:23:31,360
governors cuomo there's a lot of

483
00:23:33,350 --> 00:23:33,039
governors around the country right now

484
00:23:36,789 --> 00:23:33,360
that

485
00:23:39,669 --> 00:23:36,799
are are are knee-deep in it

486
00:23:41,590 --> 00:23:39,679
you know i know i think what if trump

487
00:23:45,110 --> 00:23:41,600
was it he'd say you're fired

488
00:23:49,029 --> 00:23:45,120
behind the show yeah you know it's uh

489
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:49,039
um governors um we have other issues

490
00:23:52,870 --> 00:23:50,400
that are going on too

491
00:23:53,909 --> 00:23:52,880
uh newsom's not the only recall that's

492
00:23:56,950 --> 00:23:53,919
going on

493
00:24:00,870 --> 00:23:56,960
we have our uh gascone

494
00:24:02,310 --> 00:24:00,880
our uh district attorney and he's got a

495
00:24:05,350 --> 00:24:02,320
recall going on

496
00:24:07,190 --> 00:24:05,360
and so i think people are recalling not

497
00:24:09,029 --> 00:24:07,200
necessarily people they're recalling

498
00:24:12,070 --> 00:24:09,039
corruption well uh

499
00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:12,080
we've had uh and how many years ago was

500
00:24:14,950 --> 00:24:12,320
it

501
00:24:17,190 --> 00:24:14,960
we recalled our last governor and

502
00:24:19,029 --> 00:24:17,200
replaced him and that happened i i

503
00:24:20,870 --> 00:24:19,039
couldn't believe it i was like really

504
00:24:22,230 --> 00:24:20,880
they're gonna do this and it was like

505
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:22,240
overnight

506
00:24:25,990 --> 00:24:24,240
bam you know they signed up you know you

507
00:24:26,870 --> 00:24:26,000
got to get like two million signatures

508
00:24:30,390 --> 00:24:26,880
on the petition

509
00:24:31,029 --> 00:24:30,400
happened right away and uh we replaced

510
00:24:34,149 --> 00:24:31,039
uh

511
00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:34,159
our last governor wow i don't know if

512
00:24:39,750 --> 00:24:35,440
there was a governor

513
00:24:43,269 --> 00:24:39,760
in between let's see recalled

514
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:43,279
california governors okay

515
00:24:50,549 --> 00:24:47,520
uh let's see yeah 2003

516
00:24:52,870 --> 00:24:50,559
recall an election

517
00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:52,880
and i'm trying to think what that

518
00:24:55,750 --> 00:24:53,760
governor

519
00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:55,760
who that was i can't remember who that

520
00:25:00,950 --> 00:24:56,880
was it brown

521
00:25:04,149 --> 00:25:00,960
uh i think no bronte brown replaced him

522
00:25:07,510 --> 00:25:04,159
uh let's see

523
00:25:07,909 --> 00:25:07,520
um schwarzenegger yeah schwarzenegger

524
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:07,919
was

525
00:25:15,750 --> 00:25:15,269
man branston but that's way that's way

526
00:25:19,590 --> 00:25:15,760
back

527
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:19,600
okay recalled okay this is what's weird

528
00:25:24,630 --> 00:25:21,760
we are now about to run out of time

529
00:25:26,830 --> 00:25:24,640
okay hold on recalled california

530
00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:26,840
governor's

531
00:25:35,590 --> 00:25:33,430
oh man gray davis there it is

532
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:35,600
it was gray davis schwarzenegger

533
00:25:39,909 --> 00:25:37,440
replaced him

534
00:25:40,830 --> 00:25:39,919
and that's how that happened so we've

535
00:25:46,350 --> 00:25:40,840
replaced

536
00:25:49,590 --> 00:25:46,360
1994 1995

537
00:25:51,750 --> 00:25:49,600
2003 um

538
00:25:53,590 --> 00:25:51,760
those are all successful recall attempts

539
00:25:55,590 --> 00:25:53,600
not necessarily with governors

540
00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:55,600
and here in california do we just don't

541
00:26:00,870 --> 00:25:56,640
play around

542
00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:00,880
goof off

543
00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:04,080
just a little bit and we are we

544
00:26:09,669 --> 00:26:07,679
are uh baby yeah we are recall happy

545
00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:09,679
we are recall happy all right so what's

546
00:26:14,390 --> 00:26:12,240
going on uh here we go we're out of time

547
00:26:15,350 --> 00:26:14,400
what's going on over at get the t at the

548
00:26:20,549 --> 00:26:15,360
end of the month

549
00:26:20,559 --> 00:26:29,350
beautiful special

550
00:26:33,630 --> 00:26:31,190
on the other special front page scroll

551
00:26:37,029 --> 00:26:33,640
down there it is fader

552
00:26:38,950 --> 00:26:37,039
f-a-d-e-r and you get free shipping

553
00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:38,960
and uh i'm gonna have something real

554
00:26:43,750 --> 00:26:40,720
special next month too

555
00:26:47,350 --> 00:26:43,760
for just just to really up the ante so

556
00:26:50,710 --> 00:26:47,360
be be listening now i got uh

557
00:26:54,149 --> 00:26:50,720
i got my uh my

558
00:26:54,549 --> 00:26:54,159
uh my asta uh from you this month thank

559
00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:54,559
you

560
00:26:58,870 --> 00:26:57,120
so much for that and this is anthony

561
00:26:59,269 --> 00:26:58,880
yeah yeah i i got that from you this

562
00:27:02,149 --> 00:26:59,279
month

563
00:27:03,590 --> 00:27:02,159
and that's a pretty good asta and the

564
00:27:07,029 --> 00:27:03,600
super t

565
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:07,039
for just 53 dollars yeah am i reading

566
00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:07,679
that right

567
00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:09,360
and then you're gonna get free shipping

568
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on top of that well the astaxanthin is

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for the eyes and for the immune system

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so

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it it does it does a lot and the

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knockout is

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only 79. and that's

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and let me tell you something that's

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almost 20. wait wait that's almost 20

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off yep plus free shipping plus

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the other thing to realize is minerals

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plus is in there minerals plus is a

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beautiful product

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but real quick because i know you got to

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go if you have ro

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water you're probably low on minerals if

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you're not taking them so make sure you

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get your minerals because it can make

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you really drowsy tired

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and kind of lethargic so make sure you

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get your minerals

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if you got ro water now and uh really

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quick

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can can if somebody orders

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uh like say the knockout can they order

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another flavor of tea

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or is this the original t

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i think it's a super t but i'm sure if

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they made a phone call

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as long as it didn't they didn't sit on

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the order a long time i'm sure somebody

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in the office could

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swing something different because i

600
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gotta tell you uh

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this week i've been doing the

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pomegranate

603
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isn't it good man man man

604
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can you make a blueberry tea i

605
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probably can we're actually working

606
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right now for citrus

607
00:28:33,350 --> 00:28:31,200
okay citrus is good well the original

608
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the super strength it's got that citrus

609
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little thing going on

610
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it's got a little kick to it yeah it's

611
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got a little kick to it but that's my

612
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favorite

613
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yeah that pomegranate is tasty man

614
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tasty tasty and i it and because of it i

615
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i know that i probably uh dose on it a

616
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little bit

617
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you know two big glasses a day and

618
00:28:57,430 --> 00:28:55,279
that's good though because they're

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dosing chemicals and crap on us so if

620
00:29:01,590 --> 00:28:59,279
you're double dosing a little bit or

621
00:29:02,950 --> 00:29:01,600
are just heavy dosing it's just only

622
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going to just clean you out real good

623
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and make you feel good

624
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i i strongly highly recommend

625
00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:11,200
the pomegranate the palm the palm tea i

626
00:29:14,470 --> 00:29:13,679
like the original i i'm i'm still stuck

627
00:29:18,070 --> 00:29:14,480
on that

628
00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:18,080
but uh you know i uh pom teas just got a

629
00:29:20,549 --> 00:29:19,840
little bit of sweetness just a teeny

630
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:20,559
teeny bit

631
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no it's got it's palm yeah it is it's

632
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just well it's subtle like

633
00:29:27,830 --> 00:29:27,200
like all the teas are that you make but

634
00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:27,840
it's just

635
00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:30,000
enough to go yeah this is palm this is

636
00:29:33,190 --> 00:29:31,200
good yeah

637
00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:33,200
i like the peppermint too peppermint's

638
00:29:35,350 --> 00:29:34,960
pretty ripping yeah the peppermint is

639
00:29:39,430 --> 00:29:35,360
good

640
00:29:41,669 --> 00:29:39,440
you feel like i still like the original

641
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though the super strength and over

642
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:44,880
ice oh man it's just so good especially

643
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in the summer

644
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ronnie thank you so much my friend have

645
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a safe

646
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trip out here and maybe uh we'll be able

647
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to break some bread all right

648
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i haven't seen you i haven't seen you in

649
00:30:00,389 --> 00:29:58,240
a long time so it's been a while

650
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have a safe trip all right love you

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brother love you back

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ronnie mcmullen life change t

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i am your host jimmy church tonight

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terry lovelace

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terry lovelace this is fade to black

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is to stockpile emergency food water

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hi this is rob reiner from anvil and

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[Music]

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all right welcome back fade to black i'm

771
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your host jimmy church

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wow what a night what a day

773
00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:46,960
what a week i love my gig

774
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i do especially tonight because terry

775
00:35:52,470 --> 00:35:51,040
lovelace is back

776
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:52,480
it's gonna be a great show tonight great

777
00:35:57,670 --> 00:35:54,480
conversation during the break

778
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which i never i i just don't we have so

779
00:36:02,390 --> 00:35:59,760
many different feeds that got to do

780
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different uh radio stations and and

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00:36:07,510 --> 00:36:04,320
networks for the syndication

782
00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:07,520
and one of the feeds that we do send out

783
00:36:13,910 --> 00:36:11,280
is over to facebook and not that

784
00:36:14,710 --> 00:36:13,920
not that i don't appreciate um

785
00:36:17,829 --> 00:36:14,720
everything

786
00:36:19,349 --> 00:36:17,839
and everybody but i can't go i don't

787
00:36:20,550 --> 00:36:19,359
know what's going on out there and i

788
00:36:23,589 --> 00:36:20,560
have never

789
00:36:26,950 --> 00:36:23,599
during the show

790
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:26,960
i never have it just happened to pop up

791
00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:30,480
uh and and there

792
00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:32,560
i'm just gonna say it i don't ever do

793
00:36:37,829 --> 00:36:34,800
this on the show but i'm gonna do this

794
00:36:40,630 --> 00:36:37,839
right now hold on a minute okay

795
00:36:41,829 --> 00:36:40,640
all right i never do this on the show

796
00:36:43,109 --> 00:36:41,839
i'm just going to do this i'm going to

797
00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:43,119
embarrass a few people

798
00:36:50,150 --> 00:36:46,560
i want to say hi to lynn and lynn

799
00:36:53,109 --> 00:36:50,160
um and i have been friends

800
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:53,119
uh i don't even know how long but i

801
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would

802
00:37:02,310 --> 00:36:58,079
say on the far side of 40 years

803
00:37:05,670 --> 00:37:02,320
we go back a long long ways oh man

804
00:37:07,270 --> 00:37:05,680
ah i met lynn

805
00:37:09,190 --> 00:37:07,280
i'm gonna do this really quick i met

806
00:37:11,990 --> 00:37:09,200
lynn when i

807
00:37:12,390 --> 00:37:12,000
came back from panama for a vacation in

808
00:37:15,430 --> 00:37:12,400
like

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00:37:16,710 --> 00:37:15,440
19 oh man

810
00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:16,720
hold on i'm gonna bring you terry

811
00:37:22,870 --> 00:37:18,880
terry's an attorney okay

812
00:37:28,230 --> 00:37:22,880
terry 1978 how many years ago was that

813
00:37:33,109 --> 00:37:30,870
right and that's incredible and then

814
00:37:34,310 --> 00:37:33,119
right below and so lynn just said hey

815
00:37:37,349 --> 00:37:34,320
and i said hey back

816
00:37:41,190 --> 00:37:37,359
and right below her

817
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:43,190
my brother-in-law now i'm all

818
00:37:47,910 --> 00:37:44,960
intimidated big

819
00:37:50,710 --> 00:37:47,920
how you doing brother all right he's

820
00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:50,720
he's a block away from me

821
00:37:58,470 --> 00:37:55,200
but he's he's he's watching me

822
00:38:00,310 --> 00:37:58,480
oh man how cool is that rita biggs in

823
00:38:04,470 --> 00:38:00,320
the house i'm just letting you know now

824
00:38:06,310 --> 00:38:04,480
big is right here and uh that is just

825
00:38:09,910 --> 00:38:06,320
hysterical to me okay

826
00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:09,920
all right uh now i'm i'm thrown off and

827
00:38:14,069 --> 00:38:12,160
see that's what facebook just did to me

828
00:38:15,430 --> 00:38:14,079
and and jumping in that's why you know

829
00:38:16,950 --> 00:38:15,440
terry um

830
00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:16,960
let me get your introduction out of the

831
00:38:20,790 --> 00:38:18,480
way so we can start

832
00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:20,800
this conversation but uh it's good to

833
00:38:23,670 --> 00:38:21,520
have you back

834
00:38:24,790 --> 00:38:23,680
your new book is out devil's den the

835
00:38:26,950 --> 00:38:24,800
reckoning

836
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:26,960
and i want everybody to know that terry

837
00:38:31,030 --> 00:38:29,280
was of course the author of incident at

838
00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:31,040
devil's den that we premiered on the

839
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:33,440
show when the book was released

840
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:36,000
it has been way too long since terry has

841
00:38:40,630 --> 00:38:37,920
been back with us on the show

842
00:38:42,230 --> 00:38:40,640
uh he was a lawyer he was former

843
00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:42,240
assistant attorney general

844
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:44,480
he was active duty in the air force from

845
00:38:48,870 --> 00:38:47,680
1973 to 1979 and trained as a medic in

846
00:38:51,430 --> 00:38:48,880
an emt

847
00:38:53,510 --> 00:38:51,440
his an entire enlistment was spent at

848
00:38:54,390 --> 00:38:53,520
whiteman air force base in western

849
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:54,400
missouri

850
00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:56,640
he ended his enlistment and completed a

851
00:39:01,670 --> 00:38:59,280
bachelor's degree in psychology

852
00:39:03,829 --> 00:39:01,680
at park university and a juris doctor

853
00:39:06,550 --> 00:39:03,839
from western michigan university

854
00:39:06,870 --> 00:39:06,560
that's where my dad graduated college i

855
00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:06,880
thought

856
00:39:09,990 --> 00:39:08,640
i remember yeah yeah we talked about

857
00:39:13,990 --> 00:39:10,000
that and we

858
00:39:15,910 --> 00:39:14,000
we lived um oddly enough uh let's just

859
00:39:19,150 --> 00:39:15,920
jump straight ahead i've got terry's

860
00:39:21,910 --> 00:39:19,160
links over at jimmychurchradio.com

861
00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:21,920
terrylovelace.com go and get a copy of

862
00:39:25,750 --> 00:39:22,720
the new book

863
00:39:26,630 --> 00:39:25,760
it is an incredible page turner uh the

864
00:39:28,870 --> 00:39:26,640
whole story

865
00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:28,880
uh from beginning to end all of the

866
00:39:32,950 --> 00:39:30,160
experiences

867
00:39:35,910 --> 00:39:32,960
are absolutely incredible um so going

868
00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:35,920
back to western michigan terry before we

869
00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:39,520
uh get into the show tonight okay

870
00:39:45,829 --> 00:39:42,720
this is where we lived okay

871
00:39:46,390 --> 00:39:45,839
so uh the clock tower in the mirror

872
00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:46,400
pools

873
00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:49,680
right at western michigan okay so

874
00:39:54,870 --> 00:39:52,640
if you're facing if you're in between

875
00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:54,880
the clock tower and the mirror pools and

876
00:40:00,390 --> 00:39:56,480
now you're looking out

877
00:40:03,910 --> 00:40:00,400
over the mirror pool right right right

878
00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:03,920
okay you go to the left and there's a

879
00:40:07,990 --> 00:40:04,960
street that goes

880
00:40:11,829 --> 00:40:08,000
up the hill through the trees

881
00:40:14,309 --> 00:40:11,839
yes we lived at the top of that street

882
00:40:15,030 --> 00:40:14,319
and it was called redwood drive right

883
00:40:19,270 --> 00:40:15,040
and

884
00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:19,280
on the corner

885
00:40:22,470 --> 00:40:21,520
so if i went down and i did this all the

886
00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:22,480
time

887
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:24,400
if i went down to like the corner of the

888
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:26,160
yard stayed in the grass right

889
00:40:29,589 --> 00:40:28,079
didn't step in the street but like at

890
00:40:32,630 --> 00:40:29,599
the stop sign

891
00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:32,640
i could look down the wine and i could

892
00:40:36,630 --> 00:40:35,040
see the mirror pool and the clock tower

893
00:40:39,430 --> 00:40:36,640
from our house

894
00:40:42,069 --> 00:40:39,440
and that's why yeah that's where we live

895
00:40:45,430 --> 00:40:42,079
that's where my dad graduated uh college

896
00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:45,440
yeah yeah pretty trippy and teacher

897
00:40:51,670 --> 00:40:48,240
what's that did he teach that no he you

898
00:40:53,190 --> 00:40:51,680
know he went to school there for music

899
00:40:55,030 --> 00:40:53,200
yeah he went to school there for music

900
00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:55,040
he was active duty in the army at the

901
00:41:00,069 --> 00:40:56,160
time

902
00:41:03,190 --> 00:41:00,079
and somehow weaseled his way

903
00:41:05,349 --> 00:41:03,200
into going to college while still being

904
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:05,359
enlisted so we went from

905
00:41:09,349 --> 00:41:08,160
chicago from fort sheridan went to

906
00:41:11,349 --> 00:41:09,359
kalamazoo

907
00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:11,359
right so he could go to school he

908
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:13,200
graduated and we went back to fort

909
00:41:17,270 --> 00:41:14,400
sheridan

910
00:41:18,630 --> 00:41:17,280
in uh illinois so we were there a couple

911
00:41:20,950 --> 00:41:18,640
of years

912
00:41:22,390 --> 00:41:20,960
yeah my my memory says like two two and

913
00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:22,400
a half three years

914
00:41:27,430 --> 00:41:24,640
and uh in the thick of it too because

915
00:41:30,309 --> 00:41:27,440
that was like 1970

916
00:41:32,150 --> 00:41:30,319
so you had you had the demonstrations

917
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:32,160
you had the hippies

918
00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:34,560
you had you know you had everything that

919
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:35,520
you know was the

920
00:41:41,430 --> 00:41:39,359
60s rolling into the 70s 19 1970 at

921
00:41:44,069 --> 00:41:41,440
western michigan i got to see it all

922
00:41:44,950 --> 00:41:44,079
it was pretty cool i think the draft was

923
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:44,960
still up and running

924
00:41:51,829 --> 00:41:48,720
oh yes it was you know um when i

925
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:51,839
funny you mentioned that when i turned

926
00:41:58,390 --> 00:41:55,280
18 i'll never forget this

927
00:42:02,470 --> 00:41:58,400
i turned 18. on my

928
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:02,480
birthday mailman shows up

929
00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:06,000
and delivers my draft card on my 18th

930
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:07,920
birthday they didn't mess around right

931
00:42:11,670 --> 00:42:11,040
and and my mom comes in and hands it to

932
00:42:14,069 --> 00:42:11,680
me and it's

933
00:42:15,510 --> 00:42:14,079
right you got to fill it out right and i

934
00:42:19,030 --> 00:42:15,520
think you have to take it

935
00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:19,040
to the post office and like

936
00:42:22,390 --> 00:42:21,119
my memory was like you had to sign it in

937
00:42:25,430 --> 00:42:22,400
person

938
00:42:27,510 --> 00:42:25,440
so um and and return it

939
00:42:28,870 --> 00:42:27,520
so i've got it and i was just so bummed

940
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:28,880
out about i'm like man i'm gonna get

941
00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:29,520
drafted

942
00:42:38,790 --> 00:42:33,920
i know this and and that day

943
00:42:42,550 --> 00:42:38,800
this is october 10th 1981

944
00:42:43,589 --> 00:42:42,560
on my birthday the next day they ended

945
00:42:46,550 --> 00:42:43,599
the draft

946
00:42:47,190 --> 00:42:46,560
unlike october 11th i couldn't believe

947
00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:47,200
it

948
00:42:52,950 --> 00:42:51,920
mom comes in and she goes did you take

949
00:42:54,790 --> 00:42:52,960
the draft card

950
00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:54,800
uh to the post office today and i said

951
00:42:57,670 --> 00:42:56,800
no i'm gonna do it tomorrow she goes

952
00:43:02,870 --> 00:42:57,680
well they

953
00:43:07,990 --> 00:43:05,910
so i never even sent mine in yeah i

954
00:43:09,990 --> 00:43:08,000
i guess historically you know what's

955
00:43:13,109 --> 00:43:10,000
funny about that whole thing

956
00:43:15,109 --> 00:43:13,119
i suppose historically with wikipedia

957
00:43:16,390 --> 00:43:15,119
we could go and look up the dates and

958
00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:16,400
get specific

959
00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:18,880
but i'm pretty confident in my memory

960
00:43:22,870 --> 00:43:20,720
here on how that went down

961
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:22,880
it was like on my birthday or the next

962
00:43:27,030 --> 00:43:24,960
day they ended the draft and i never

963
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:27,040
sent in my card

964
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:31,200
crazy yeah crazy 1972

965
00:43:36,790 --> 00:43:35,280
uh that was 19 no that was 81.

966
00:43:39,750 --> 00:43:36,800
yeah at the end of the draft my draft

967
00:43:42,309 --> 00:43:39,760
card came 1972. oh your draft card came

968
00:43:45,510 --> 00:43:42,319
in you're that much older than me

969
00:43:48,630 --> 00:43:45,520
i guess so you look younger

970
00:43:50,790 --> 00:43:48,640
and see here

971
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:50,800
[Laughter]

972
00:43:58,309 --> 00:43:54,640
oh man now um let's uh

973
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:58,319
let's back up a minute and i remember

974
00:44:02,150 --> 00:44:01,200
uh uh i remember this like it was

975
00:44:06,630 --> 00:44:02,160
yesterday

976
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:06,640
daryl sims is over at our house

977
00:44:14,710 --> 00:44:11,280
and we were having uh dinner and drinks

978
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:14,720
and we were sitting on our back patio

979
00:44:21,109 --> 00:44:18,000
uh late and he introduces

980
00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:21,119
us to you and and

981
00:44:27,750 --> 00:44:24,720
i think we called you that night i think

982
00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:27,760
and and made the connection and then you

983
00:44:33,030 --> 00:44:29,680
and i talked the next day

984
00:44:36,309 --> 00:44:33,040
but at that time you didn't know

985
00:44:40,150 --> 00:44:36,319
if you were ready to make the big step

986
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:40,160
right and but you do absolutely right

987
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:42,000
yeah you know i wrote this book more as

988
00:44:45,750 --> 00:44:43,920
a catharsis than anything i i

989
00:44:47,829 --> 00:44:45,760
really expected i'd sell 100 copies and

990
00:44:49,510 --> 00:44:47,839
have a box of 50 in my garage left over

991
00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:49,520
or something

992
00:44:52,790 --> 00:44:51,359
but i've been pleasantly surprised that

993
00:44:54,550 --> 00:44:52,800
that it did so well

994
00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:54,560
and yeah i do remember your phone call

995
00:44:58,710 --> 00:44:56,000
and that was a decision and

996
00:45:00,309 --> 00:44:58,720
your show really was the launching pad

997
00:45:03,670 --> 00:45:00,319
for what became

998
00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:03,680
an unexpected second career and

999
00:45:07,589 --> 00:45:05,760
put me in the role of researcher that i

1000
00:45:09,510 --> 00:45:07,599
never thought i'd be in

1001
00:45:11,430 --> 00:45:09,520
uh but just introduced me to a wonderful

1002
00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:11,440
world of people you know i was afraid of

1003
00:45:15,030 --> 00:45:13,200
losing my friends my peers in the legal

1004
00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:15,040
community

1005
00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:17,599
there are so many so many good people in

1006
00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:20,240
this ufo culture this ufo community that

1007
00:45:23,430 --> 00:45:21,280
we have

1008
00:45:25,109 --> 00:45:23,440
that uh now i don't regret a thing this

1009
00:45:28,470 --> 00:45:25,119
is where i belong happy to be here

1010
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:28,480
yeah and and i remember you uh back then

1011
00:45:35,510 --> 00:45:31,680
because i felt like um

1012
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:35,520
i was being a salesman right i'm giving

1013
00:45:39,589 --> 00:45:36,960
you the pitch

1014
00:45:40,390 --> 00:45:39,599
come on terry it's a great show you'll

1015
00:45:41,829 --> 00:45:40,400
have fun

1016
00:45:44,069 --> 00:45:41,839
and it'll be and you're like well you

1017
00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:44,079
know i you know i got the book i

1018
00:45:51,190 --> 00:45:47,520
think i don't know you know because

1019
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:51,200
this is a big step for anybody to take

1020
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:54,720
but you did take it and the community

1021
00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:56,400
and their reaction i was telling you

1022
00:46:00,550 --> 00:45:58,240
this a couple of weeks ago

1023
00:46:01,510 --> 00:46:00,560
uh the reaction of the community with

1024
00:46:03,510 --> 00:46:01,520
you

1025
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:03,520
was something that just brought great

1026
00:46:08,470 --> 00:46:04,960
joy to rita and i

1027
00:46:11,109 --> 00:46:08,480
to see uh you welcomed like that

1028
00:46:13,349 --> 00:46:11,119
and i you know were you reticent at

1029
00:46:15,270 --> 00:46:13,359
first

1030
00:46:18,069 --> 00:46:15,280
yeah yeah maybe a little you know i have

1031
00:46:20,470 --> 00:46:18,079
no fear of public speaking but uh

1032
00:46:22,470 --> 00:46:20,480
you know this was the first um your show

1033
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:22,480
was really the first time i got on and

1034
00:46:25,430 --> 00:46:24,240
and realized i was connecting with your

1035
00:46:26,950 --> 00:46:25,440
audience

1036
00:46:28,870 --> 00:46:26,960
and uh and you know that's a

1037
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:28,880
responsibility you know

1038
00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:30,240
this is like any aspect of public

1039
00:46:34,390 --> 00:46:32,240
speaking like i used to speak

1040
00:46:35,430 --> 00:46:34,400
in a courtroom and in front of jurors

1041
00:46:36,390 --> 00:46:35,440
there's that carries a lot of

1042
00:46:38,309 --> 00:46:36,400
responsibility

1043
00:46:39,990 --> 00:46:38,319
sure and so does this to tell a story

1044
00:46:44,630 --> 00:46:40,000
honestly without embellishment

1045
00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:44,640
and uh um yeah it's it's

1046
00:46:47,829 --> 00:46:47,520
it's great it's it's uh it's fun i enjoy

1047
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:47,839
it

1048
00:46:55,829 --> 00:46:52,319
my feet wet

1049
00:46:56,710 --> 00:46:55,839
well and thank you for that and uh but i

1050
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:56,720
remember

1051
00:47:00,309 --> 00:46:58,800
and i actually want to go back not in

1052
00:47:02,790 --> 00:47:00,319
great detail

1053
00:47:05,270 --> 00:47:02,800
but for the audience uh out there that

1054
00:47:07,829 --> 00:47:05,280
may not know your story

1055
00:47:08,710 --> 00:47:07,839
um uh we'll we'll take a a brief

1056
00:47:11,910 --> 00:47:08,720
walkthrough

1057
00:47:13,910 --> 00:47:11,920
of of devil's den uh really quick but i

1058
00:47:18,150 --> 00:47:13,920
remember reading your book

1059
00:47:21,270 --> 00:47:18,160
and i and it was such um

1060
00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:21,280
uh the story was detailed um and

1061
00:47:25,270 --> 00:47:23,520
it wasn't like one night right this

1062
00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:25,280
spread out over and back

1063
00:47:28,870 --> 00:47:27,520
off the base and everything else that

1064
00:47:32,309 --> 00:47:28,880
was going on

1065
00:47:34,950 --> 00:47:32,319
um and and your wife and and and

1066
00:47:37,030 --> 00:47:34,960
the other um enlisted personnel that

1067
00:47:41,109 --> 00:47:37,040
were around you that being said

1068
00:47:43,109 --> 00:47:41,119
the incident was an incredible read

1069
00:47:44,710 --> 00:47:43,119
even for me i'm sitting back on this is

1070
00:47:48,710 --> 00:47:44,720
like this is like a

1071
00:47:51,270 --> 00:47:48,720
a movie this is this is crazy

1072
00:47:51,990 --> 00:47:51,280
looking back at that and and and

1073
00:47:56,309 --> 00:47:52,000
thinking about

1074
00:47:59,030 --> 00:47:56,319
it now what what goes through your mind

1075
00:47:59,750 --> 00:47:59,040
well you know i kept a uh pretty good

1076
00:48:01,990 --> 00:47:59,760
journal

1077
00:48:04,150 --> 00:48:02,000
of everything that was going on when

1078
00:48:06,390 --> 00:48:04,160
this all started and we had our sighting

1079
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:06,400
we were under investigation by the air

1080
00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:08,160
force security police the office of

1081
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:10,480
special investigation

1082
00:48:13,990 --> 00:48:12,480
and i didn't know if i was going to be

1083
00:48:15,829 --> 00:48:14,000
charged with a crime i knew that we had

1084
00:48:17,510 --> 00:48:15,839
trespassed on the federal land

1085
00:48:19,990 --> 00:48:17,520
but you know we didn't burn the forest

1086
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:20,000
down or anything

1087
00:48:25,270 --> 00:48:22,720
but they knew they knew what we saw no

1088
00:48:28,549 --> 00:48:25,280
doubt in my mind about that

1089
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:28,559
when i looked back at this i had those

1090
00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:29,280
journals

1091
00:48:32,309 --> 00:48:30,880
and my wife knew right where they were

1092
00:48:34,390 --> 00:48:32,319
they were they were in a storage locker

1093
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:34,400
up in michigan she

1094
00:48:39,030 --> 00:48:37,680
got them for me and i you know i kept

1095
00:48:40,630 --> 00:48:39,040
good notes and that's why i'm able to

1096
00:48:41,349 --> 00:48:40,640
give such good detail in this was

1097
00:48:42,870 --> 00:48:41,359
because i

1098
00:48:44,390 --> 00:48:42,880
thought you know if they charge me for a

1099
00:48:46,630 --> 00:48:44,400
trespass or something i want

1100
00:48:48,630 --> 00:48:46,640
documentation so i kept two i kept two

1101
00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:48,640
journals i kept one journal

1102
00:48:52,069 --> 00:48:50,720
that had the true story including the

1103
00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:52,079
the ufo

1104
00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:54,160
and then the other one i had a sanitized

1105
00:48:57,109 --> 00:48:55,680
version where

1106
00:48:58,870 --> 00:48:57,119
i just kind of left the part about

1107
00:49:02,150 --> 00:48:58,880
seeing a ufo the size of walmart i just

1108
00:49:05,270 --> 00:49:02,160
kind of left that out

1109
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:05,280
that would be a version of giving osi

1110
00:49:13,109 --> 00:49:09,119
yes yeah exactly and uh so take us

1111
00:49:16,870 --> 00:49:13,119
through um the abridged version

1112
00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:16,880
uh of that night um uh

1113
00:49:23,270 --> 00:49:20,480
you're you're with a friend and and you

1114
00:49:24,549 --> 00:49:23,280
head out and you're gonna go was it

1115
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:24,559
fishing

1116
00:49:28,710 --> 00:49:26,880
camping we were gonna go camping my

1117
00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:28,720
buddy had the idea to go camping

1118
00:49:31,990 --> 00:49:30,400
i had never been camping in my life he

1119
00:49:33,589 --> 00:49:32,000
had never been camping in his life and i

1120
00:49:34,870 --> 00:49:33,599
don't know where this idea came from but

1121
00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:34,880
that's

1122
00:49:38,790 --> 00:49:36,400
you know it kind of grew on me i said

1123
00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:38,800
sure let's go so we drove six and a half

1124
00:49:43,510 --> 00:49:40,960
hours south to devil's den state park in

1125
00:49:45,030 --> 00:49:43,520
the northwest corner of arkansas

1126
00:49:47,589 --> 00:49:45,040
and if you've read the first book you

1127
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:47,599
know it's got a dark history to it

1128
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:48,960
i actually have an update on that i

1129
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:50,880
could give later but

1130
00:49:57,430 --> 00:49:54,720
um we set up a campsite on top of this

1131
00:49:58,630 --> 00:49:57,440
plateau it's still there we didn't stay

1132
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:58,640
in the uh

1133
00:50:02,950 --> 00:50:00,480
in the campgrounds we went there was a

1134
00:50:04,470 --> 00:50:02,960
chain across the road we breached that

1135
00:50:06,069 --> 00:50:04,480
and we thought we were going to into a

1136
00:50:07,990 --> 00:50:06,079
nature preserve but we found out that

1137
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:08,000
this is all federal land it's not even

1138
00:50:12,790 --> 00:50:10,800
part of devilstown state park

1139
00:50:14,230 --> 00:50:12,800
so we're we did all the fun stuff you're

1140
00:50:15,030 --> 00:50:14,240
doing we're kicked back on these air

1141
00:50:16,790 --> 00:50:15,040
mattresses

1142
00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:16,800
uh about nine o'clock p.m we had a

1143
00:50:20,390 --> 00:50:18,400
campfire between us

1144
00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:20,400
and it went silent all of a sudden i

1145
00:50:25,829 --> 00:50:21,920
mean abruptly it was just

1146
00:50:27,349 --> 00:50:25,839
like i felt like i was in a sound booth

1147
00:50:29,829 --> 00:50:27,359
i asked my friend i said hey man is this

1148
00:50:32,470 --> 00:50:29,839
normal you know like he's gonna know

1149
00:50:34,069 --> 00:50:32,480
and and he says you know yeah it's okay

1150
00:50:35,349 --> 00:50:34,079
you know the crickets the tree frogs all

1151
00:50:35,670 --> 00:50:35,359
that stuff they'll come back we were

1152
00:50:40,470 --> 00:50:35,680
just

1153
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:40,480
but it unnerved me

1154
00:50:44,470 --> 00:50:42,240
and he turned his head to the left which

1155
00:50:45,829 --> 00:50:44,480
was to the west

1156
00:50:48,069 --> 00:50:45,839
and he asked me hey terry were those

1157
00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:48,079
lights there before and i'm like what

1158
00:50:50,230 --> 00:50:48,960
lights i couldn't

1159
00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:50,240
i couldn't i couldn't see him from my

1160
00:50:54,309 --> 00:50:51,599
position because his torso was in the

1161
00:50:55,910 --> 00:50:54,319
way so i stood up i took a step back

1162
00:50:58,309 --> 00:50:55,920
sitting on the western horizon was a

1163
00:50:59,190 --> 00:50:58,319
tight bundle little triangle of three

1164
00:51:03,109 --> 00:50:59,200
stars

1165
00:51:06,790 --> 00:51:04,630
and we're looking at these things and

1166
00:51:08,549 --> 00:51:06,800
they're too high to be

1167
00:51:10,630 --> 00:51:08,559
lights from a parking lot or a train are

1168
00:51:13,430 --> 00:51:10,640
too far above the horizon

1169
00:51:15,270 --> 00:51:13,440
and they were absolutely stationary and

1170
00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:15,280
we're talking about what they could be

1171
00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:17,040
and then they moved and what they did

1172
00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:18,800
was they rotated like they were on an

1173
00:51:21,589 --> 00:51:19,440
axis

1174
00:51:23,510 --> 00:51:21,599
and did about 120 degree turn to the

1175
00:51:26,470 --> 00:51:23,520
right and align the bottom

1176
00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:26,480
of the triangle parallel with the

1177
00:51:31,349 --> 00:51:27,760
horizon

1178
00:51:34,069 --> 00:51:31,359
and then it went up in the air and

1179
00:51:35,510 --> 00:51:34,079
it went up to i don't know how far i

1180
00:51:37,589 --> 00:51:35,520
have no point of reference i'm guessing

1181
00:51:40,470 --> 00:51:37,599
10 12 000 feet

1182
00:51:41,190 --> 00:51:40,480
and then leveled off and then pointed

1183
00:51:45,670 --> 00:51:41,200
down

1184
00:51:49,109 --> 00:51:45,680
triangle pointed in our direction

1185
00:51:52,390 --> 00:51:49,119
and started like this glide plane down

1186
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:52,400
and i felt this wave of calm wash over

1187
00:51:54,950 --> 00:51:52,800
me

1188
00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:54,960
now you know our our emotions were muted

1189
00:51:59,829 --> 00:51:56,400
we should have been

1190
00:52:03,270 --> 00:51:59,839
freaked out something

1191
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:03,280
you know but we were we were just uh

1192
00:52:06,549 --> 00:52:05,760
sedated and this thing flew in and

1193
00:52:08,790 --> 00:52:06,559
landed

1194
00:52:10,390 --> 00:52:08,800
over the top of this metal we were

1195
00:52:13,750 --> 00:52:10,400
offset from it just a bit

1196
00:52:14,390 --> 00:52:13,760
along the tree line and jimmy it was

1197
00:52:16,390 --> 00:52:14,400
huge

1198
00:52:18,309 --> 00:52:16,400
i mean it was a city block on each

1199
00:52:21,109 --> 00:52:18,319
length of the triangle

1200
00:52:22,470 --> 00:52:21,119
and the triangle was deep it was 3 000

1201
00:52:24,470 --> 00:52:22,480
feet over our heads

1202
00:52:27,349 --> 00:52:24,480
well in the morning we discovered it had

1203
00:52:29,990 --> 00:52:27,359
descended to just 30 feet over our heads

1204
00:52:31,670 --> 00:52:30,000
and that's when i discovered my boots

1205
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:31,680
had been unlaced and my socks were on

1206
00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:32,800
sideways

1207
00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:34,960
so someone had undressed us and then

1208
00:52:39,589 --> 00:52:36,400
redressed us

1209
00:52:39,990 --> 00:52:39,599
so so that's the capsule version yeah

1210
00:52:45,910 --> 00:52:40,000
that's

1211
00:52:47,270 --> 00:52:45,920
is the right word and the fact that you

1212
00:52:50,549 --> 00:52:47,280
weren't is

1213
00:52:51,829 --> 00:52:50,559
is pretty bizarre um especially if this

1214
00:52:53,349 --> 00:52:51,839
is the first time and you don't know

1215
00:52:56,470 --> 00:52:53,359
what you're seeing

1216
00:52:57,270 --> 00:52:56,480
um there was a couple of other things

1217
00:52:59,349 --> 00:52:57,280
now

1218
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:59,359
um i want to get back to the craft in a

1219
00:53:03,430 --> 00:53:00,480
second

1220
00:53:05,109 --> 00:53:03,440
but then there was the question of a

1221
00:53:08,230 --> 00:53:05,119
camera

1222
00:53:10,870 --> 00:53:08,240
and how did that come into play or did

1223
00:53:13,670 --> 00:53:10,880
you remember this

1224
00:53:15,510 --> 00:53:13,680
yeah that's an interesting story and

1225
00:53:15,910 --> 00:53:15,520
that that kind of speaks to the way that

1226
00:53:20,790 --> 00:53:15,920
we

1227
00:53:23,109 --> 00:53:20,800
preparation but somewhere in the

1228
00:53:25,510 --> 00:53:23,119
execution the wheels fell off this thing

1229
00:53:27,030 --> 00:53:25,520
and you know all the important stuff we

1230
00:53:27,990 --> 00:53:27,040
were supposed to bring with us we left

1231
00:53:29,990 --> 00:53:28,000
at home now i'm

1232
00:53:31,750 --> 00:53:30,000
i was an amateur photographer i had a

1233
00:53:33,670 --> 00:53:31,760
little dark room set up in my household

1234
00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:33,680
black and white camera but we both lived

1235
00:53:37,510 --> 00:53:36,000
we'd both lived in nco family housing we

1236
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:37,520
lived on a nuclear base

1237
00:53:40,470 --> 00:53:38,880
and you can't stroll around with a

1238
00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:40,480
camera when you live on a nuclear base

1239
00:53:43,990 --> 00:53:42,640
it's just kind of frowned upon

1240
00:53:46,470 --> 00:53:44,000
so i really wanted to get out and

1241
00:53:50,309 --> 00:53:46,480
photograph some

1242
00:53:53,829 --> 00:53:50,319
you know some wildlife when we got back

1243
00:53:57,750 --> 00:53:53,839
we were questioned by the osi and

1244
00:53:59,990 --> 00:53:57,760
individually and uh

1245
00:54:01,829 --> 00:54:00,000
i think their biggest i don't think i

1246
00:54:03,910 --> 00:54:01,839
know their biggest fear was

1247
00:54:05,430 --> 00:54:03,920
they thought that i had a 36 exposure

1248
00:54:08,710 --> 00:54:05,440
role of black and white

1249
00:54:11,430 --> 00:54:08,720
prince of this thing that we saw

1250
00:54:13,430 --> 00:54:11,440
and i didn't you know i i left my camera

1251
00:54:13,990 --> 00:54:13,440
at home now my friend my friend toby had

1252
00:54:17,190 --> 00:54:14,000
a camera

1253
00:54:18,390 --> 00:54:17,200
in his bag sitting a foot from him

1254
00:54:20,390 --> 00:54:18,400
and the thought of taking a picture

1255
00:54:22,150 --> 00:54:20,400
never occurred to either one of us and i

1256
00:54:23,910 --> 00:54:22,160
think that that speaks to the influence

1257
00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:23,920
that these things have over us just the

1258
00:54:27,750 --> 00:54:25,920
way that we stayed calm

1259
00:54:29,190 --> 00:54:27,760
we didn't freak out we went we went to

1260
00:54:30,950 --> 00:54:29,200
the tent and went to bed with this thing

1261
00:54:33,270 --> 00:54:30,960
3000 feet over our heads

1262
00:54:35,190 --> 00:54:33,280
and i'm sure as soon as we were asleep

1263
00:54:39,910 --> 00:54:35,200
that's when they took us

1264
00:54:43,109 --> 00:54:39,920
now um okay going back to the

1265
00:54:45,109 --> 00:54:43,119
uh to the night let me look at we've got

1266
00:54:45,750 --> 00:54:45,119
about two or three minutes uh before the

1267
00:54:49,990 --> 00:54:45,760
break

1268
00:54:53,589 --> 00:54:50,000
uh going back to the night when you

1269
00:54:57,990 --> 00:54:53,599
the last memory that you have

1270
00:55:02,150 --> 00:54:58,000
is the holy crap this thing is huge

1271
00:55:03,109 --> 00:55:02,160
right well what a quick the last memory

1272
00:55:04,549 --> 00:55:03,119
we have is

1273
00:55:06,870 --> 00:55:04,559
seeing that the thing had descended from

1274
00:55:09,270 --> 00:55:06,880
3000 feet to 30 feet over the metal

1275
00:55:09,910 --> 00:55:09,280
right i saw about 12 or 15 of what i

1276
00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:09,920
thought to be

1277
00:55:13,109 --> 00:55:11,760
kids i thought they were little kids and

1278
00:55:14,390 --> 00:55:13,119
i asked my buddy hey what are these kids

1279
00:55:15,750 --> 00:55:14,400
doing out there in the middle of nowhere

1280
00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:15,760
in the middle of the night and he said

1281
00:55:18,549 --> 00:55:17,200
look adam terry those ain't no little

1282
00:55:20,069 --> 00:55:18,559
kids

1283
00:55:22,630 --> 00:55:20,079
and he said don't you remember they took

1284
00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:22,640
us and they heard us and that's when

1285
00:55:25,990 --> 00:55:24,400
flashes of memory i never had a clear

1286
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:26,000
linear memory of what happened to us but

1287
00:55:31,990 --> 00:55:29,040
i have flashes of what happened to us

1288
00:55:32,630 --> 00:55:32,000
and we saw them go back into the craft

1289
00:55:34,710 --> 00:55:32,640
and then

1290
00:55:36,390 --> 00:55:34,720
we watched it take off just lift off

1291
00:55:37,670 --> 00:55:36,400
like a hot air balloon and went straight

1292
00:55:40,789 --> 00:55:37,680
up in the air and was gone

1293
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:40,799
now at that point this is where i was

1294
00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:41,760
going with this

1295
00:55:51,270 --> 00:55:48,240
was there a gap in your memory then

1296
00:55:52,950 --> 00:55:51,280
no uh my memory

1297
00:55:55,990 --> 00:55:52,960
i mean i didn't have a clear memory of

1298
00:55:58,789 --> 00:55:56,000
what all happened to us aboard the ship

1299
00:55:59,670 --> 00:55:58,799
uh that that that's not that's not clear

1300
00:56:03,109 --> 00:55:59,680
i only have

1301
00:56:03,910 --> 00:56:03,119
vignettes pieces uh stuff that's haunted

1302
00:56:06,470 --> 00:56:03,920
my dreams

1303
00:56:07,510 --> 00:56:06,480
uh stuff that came out during the osi

1304
00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:07,520
interrogation

1305
00:56:12,870 --> 00:56:11,040
right but i really had no missing time

1306
00:56:14,950 --> 00:56:12,880
that i'm aware of other than

1307
00:56:16,549 --> 00:56:14,960
the six hours or so that they took us

1308
00:56:17,750 --> 00:56:16,559
while we were asleep those hours of

1309
00:56:20,470 --> 00:56:17,760
course i can't account for

1310
00:56:23,510 --> 00:56:20,480
right you can't account for those and so

1311
00:56:25,589 --> 00:56:23,520
now when you wake up in the morning

1312
00:56:26,789 --> 00:56:25,599
how do you have that conversation you

1313
00:56:28,150 --> 00:56:26,799
know what

1314
00:56:30,390 --> 00:56:28,160
what did we do last night were there

1315
00:56:31,990 --> 00:56:30,400
kids here you know how do you have that

1316
00:56:33,349 --> 00:56:32,000
conversation

1317
00:56:35,430 --> 00:56:33,359
well you know we woke up with these

1318
00:56:36,789 --> 00:56:35,440
flashing lights through the through the

1319
00:56:38,710 --> 00:56:36,799
tent

1320
00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:38,720
and that's when i noticed my my boots

1321
00:56:41,510 --> 00:56:40,240
were unlaced and i know i didn't go to

1322
00:56:43,349 --> 00:56:41,520
bed with them like that

1323
00:56:44,950 --> 00:56:43,359
and my socks were on sideways and that

1324
00:56:46,630 --> 00:56:44,960
didn't that didn't frighten me but it

1325
00:56:48,230 --> 00:56:46,640
confused me

1326
00:56:49,910 --> 00:56:48,240
and then when i looked outside and i saw

1327
00:56:51,670 --> 00:56:49,920
that this thing had descended to just 30

1328
00:56:53,109 --> 00:56:51,680
feet over the ground and those i saw

1329
00:56:53,670 --> 00:56:53,119
these little guys walking around the

1330
00:56:55,349 --> 00:56:53,680
metal

1331
00:56:56,710 --> 00:56:55,359
right then i was scared that's when

1332
00:56:57,670 --> 00:56:56,720
that's when the gates opened and the

1333
00:56:59,990 --> 00:56:57,680
fear came out

1334
00:57:01,589 --> 00:57:00,000
i was scared to death i was afraid we

1335
00:57:02,710 --> 00:57:01,599
were going to cough or sneeze to make

1336
00:57:03,990 --> 00:57:02,720
some noise and these things were going

1337
00:57:05,990 --> 00:57:04,000
to come over and

1338
00:57:08,069 --> 00:57:06,000
and visit us but you know we had no way

1339
00:57:09,589 --> 00:57:08,079
of knowing they were long done with us

1340
00:57:12,230 --> 00:57:09,599
yeah but but in the morning the

1341
00:57:14,549 --> 00:57:12,240
conversation uh

1342
00:57:17,030 --> 00:57:14,559
how did you how did you guys speak to

1343
00:57:18,870 --> 00:57:17,040
each other

1344
00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:18,880
you know this this is the morning and

1345
00:57:23,589 --> 00:57:20,880
what we did was we

1346
00:57:25,270 --> 00:57:23,599
we we waited for them to leave and it

1347
00:57:26,230 --> 00:57:25,280
was still dark outside i didn't want to

1348
00:57:27,829 --> 00:57:26,240
leave the tech

1349
00:57:29,829 --> 00:57:27,839
i wanted to stay in the tent until it

1350
00:57:32,150 --> 00:57:29,839
was daytime right

1351
00:57:33,829 --> 00:57:32,160
and we're our discussion you know two

1352
00:57:35,750 --> 00:57:33,839
people go through an event like this

1353
00:57:37,349 --> 00:57:35,760
you should want to validate your

1354
00:57:37,670 --> 00:57:37,359
experience you should want to say you

1355
00:57:39,109 --> 00:57:37,680
know

1356
00:57:40,950 --> 00:57:39,119
hey did you see what i saw can you

1357
00:57:43,109 --> 00:57:40,960
believe this was this thing for real

1358
00:57:45,270 --> 00:57:43,119
but there was none of that it was it was

1359
00:57:48,150 --> 00:57:45,280
just not right there was none of that

1360
00:57:49,670 --> 00:57:48,160
um you know and i think we said two or

1361
00:57:51,430 --> 00:57:49,680
three words to one another i mean we

1362
00:57:53,270 --> 00:57:51,440
agreed that we would not tell the air

1363
00:57:54,950 --> 00:57:53,280
force because we knew we were hurt

1364
00:57:56,390 --> 00:57:54,960
we were burned and our eyes were messed

1365
00:57:58,870 --> 00:57:56,400
up

1366
00:57:59,750 --> 00:57:58,880
we were severely dehydrated we agreed

1367
00:58:02,470 --> 00:57:59,760
we'd tell the

1368
00:58:03,030 --> 00:58:02,480
air force that we saw or we didn't see

1369
00:58:05,349 --> 00:58:03,040
anything

1370
00:58:06,789 --> 00:58:05,359
we went to bed feeling bad and we woke

1371
00:58:08,150 --> 00:58:06,799
up feeling worse and just decided to

1372
00:58:09,270 --> 00:58:08,160
come home because we left all our stuff

1373
00:58:11,910 --> 00:58:09,280
there we left our tent

1374
00:58:12,549 --> 00:58:11,920
that was where okay i want to actually

1375
00:58:15,829 --> 00:58:12,559
pick up

1376
00:58:17,670 --> 00:58:15,839
there when we come back after the break

1377
00:58:19,910 --> 00:58:17,680
because that's one of the most

1378
00:58:23,109 --> 00:58:19,920
interesting parts of this whole thing

1379
00:58:23,589 --> 00:58:23,119
is you guys left your gear right you

1380
00:58:27,589 --> 00:58:23,599
guys

1381
00:58:31,030 --> 00:58:27,599
just split you just split

1382
00:58:34,069 --> 00:58:31,040
and and and um i remember asking you

1383
00:58:36,950 --> 00:58:34,079
this so many years ago

1384
00:58:37,510 --> 00:58:36,960
what is that conversation like in the

1385
00:58:40,230 --> 00:58:37,520
car

1386
00:58:42,870 --> 00:58:40,240
right i mean because you're both

1387
00:58:46,309 --> 00:58:42,880
thinking the same thing

1388
00:58:48,950 --> 00:58:46,319
what is that conversation like terry

1389
00:58:51,109 --> 00:58:48,960
you know i and again i think this speaks

1390
00:58:54,150 --> 00:58:51,119
to their influence over us

1391
00:58:55,990 --> 00:58:54,160
we were changed this event changed us

1392
00:58:57,510 --> 00:58:56,000
this guy i work with for three years

1393
00:58:59,349 --> 00:58:57,520
he's my best friend in the world

1394
00:59:02,309 --> 00:58:59,359
on our days off we barbecue we play

1395
00:59:05,190 --> 00:59:02,319
cards his wife my wife are friends

1396
00:59:05,589 --> 00:59:05,200
and my feelings toward this guy changed

1397
00:59:13,270 --> 00:59:05,599
and

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up everybody goes a different direction

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i mean i didn't hate the guy but i

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didn't want anything to do with them uh

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and i don't i can't reconcile that

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emotion but that's that's the way i felt

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so there was no no no real conversation

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on the way back

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uh and he was in a lot more pain than i

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was whatever they did to me they gave

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him a double dose because he was just

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uh yeah let's take our break right here

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our guest tonight the one and only terry

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lovelace he

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is back and the new book is

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out it is devil's den the reckoning you

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can go to terrylovelace.com

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at jimmychurchradio.com

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incident in devil's den was an amazon

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[Music]

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01:05:19,990 --> 01:05:17,839
welcome back fade to black i am your

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01:05:20,870 --> 01:05:20,000
host jimmy church tonight terry lovelace

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01:05:22,870 --> 01:05:20,880
is here

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01:05:24,470 --> 01:05:22,880
tomorrow night is fader night with open

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01:05:26,390 --> 01:05:24,480
lines all night long

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01:05:27,510 --> 01:05:26,400
and i want to remind everybody this

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01:05:30,870 --> 01:05:27,520
weekend uh

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01:05:34,470 --> 01:05:30,880
we'll be over with the dark zone and uh

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01:05:37,109 --> 01:05:34,480
doing a ghost investigation at the lapd

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01:05:38,470 --> 01:05:37,119
uh museum right here in southern

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01:05:40,630 --> 01:05:38,480
california it's in

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01:05:42,549 --> 01:05:40,640
uh it's in atwater like around the

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01:05:43,910 --> 01:05:42,559
glendale area right next to burbank

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01:05:46,230 --> 01:05:43,920
where we are right now

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01:05:47,430 --> 01:05:46,240
i'll be there saturday night the entire

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01:05:50,069 --> 01:05:47,440
investigation goes on

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01:05:51,510 --> 01:05:50,079
all weekend long friday saturday and

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01:05:54,390 --> 01:05:51,520
sunday 24 hours

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live and you can go and get your tickets

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01:05:58,710 --> 01:05:55,119
and info

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01:06:02,069 --> 01:05:58,720
over at thedarkzone.tv

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01:06:04,789 --> 01:06:02,079
our guest tonight terry lovelace and uh

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01:06:05,349 --> 01:06:04,799
terry i highly recommend the book

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01:06:07,589 --> 01:06:05,359
incident

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01:06:08,710 --> 01:06:07,599
at devil's den and i want everybody to

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01:06:11,510 --> 01:06:08,720
go and get it

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01:06:12,630 --> 01:06:11,520
it chronicles everything there's so much

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01:06:15,349 --> 01:06:12,640
detail

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01:06:16,870 --> 01:06:15,359
uh to what terry went through but i want

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01:06:19,109 --> 01:06:16,880
to focus on what

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01:06:20,309 --> 01:06:19,119
has been happening with you since then

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01:06:24,069 --> 01:06:20,319
and of course

1578
01:06:28,710 --> 01:06:24,079
other reason to write the new book um

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01:06:29,670 --> 01:06:28,720
as you as you got into the ufo community

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01:06:33,029 --> 01:06:29,680
now let's go back

1581
01:06:34,470 --> 01:06:33,039
we're talking about 2014 so that's about

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01:06:40,390 --> 01:06:34,480
seven years

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01:06:41,750 --> 01:06:40,400
does that feel right that feels right i

1584
01:06:42,470 --> 01:06:41,760
mean you know i was talking to daryl

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01:06:46,230 --> 01:06:42,480
sims

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01:06:48,870 --> 01:06:46,240
and uh he was looking at my x-rays and

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01:06:49,829 --> 01:06:48,880
i was outlining a book but i really

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01:06:54,470 --> 01:06:49,839
didn't have my first

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01:06:57,910 --> 01:06:54,480
public speaking first coming out i guess

1590
01:07:01,109 --> 01:06:57,920
until september 2017. i was

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01:07:03,589 --> 01:07:01,119
went to a ufo conference down in uh

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01:07:05,589 --> 01:07:03,599
houston and i didn't have anything in

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01:07:08,630 --> 01:07:05,599
print yet but i talked to

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01:07:10,150 --> 01:07:08,640
daryl sims and to met travis walton and

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01:07:12,309 --> 01:07:10,160
i said hey i've had an experience

1596
01:07:13,589 --> 01:07:12,319
and you know travis was nice but i could

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01:07:13,910 --> 01:07:13,599
see him kind of roll his eyes you know

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01:07:16,069 --> 01:07:13,920
i'm

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01:07:16,950 --> 01:07:16,079
like let me just tell you what happened

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01:07:18,309 --> 01:07:16,960
to me

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01:07:20,150 --> 01:07:18,319
and we ended up talking for the next

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01:07:21,430 --> 01:07:20,160
four hours you know it's just like you

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01:07:23,109 --> 01:07:21,440
know when you run into somebody like you

1604
01:07:25,029 --> 01:07:23,119
know i kept running into calvin parker

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01:07:25,589 --> 01:07:25,039
or somebody that's had an experience you

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01:07:29,430 --> 01:07:25,599
know

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01:07:32,710 --> 01:07:29,440
you just connect on some level did uh

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01:07:36,230 --> 01:07:32,720
was there high strangeness um

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01:07:40,230 --> 01:07:36,240
uh in those uh four years

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01:07:47,349 --> 01:07:44,789
yes there was uh the the

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01:07:47,990 --> 01:07:47,359
what changed was in 2012 when i had this

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01:07:50,870 --> 01:07:48,000
x-ray

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01:07:52,029 --> 01:07:50,880
on my leg and i could see these implant

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01:07:53,589 --> 01:07:52,039
things there if you go to

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01:07:55,349 --> 01:07:53,599
terrylovelace.com you can see the

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01:07:56,549 --> 01:07:55,359
original x-rays

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01:07:58,630 --> 01:07:56,559
and the thing above my knee looks like

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01:08:00,230 --> 01:07:58,640
an electronic component of some kind

1619
01:08:02,950 --> 01:08:00,240
and the things below my leg are like

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01:08:05,270 --> 01:08:02,960
this collection floret pattern of

1621
01:08:07,670 --> 01:08:05,280
a bone tissue just sprouted in the

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01:08:09,829 --> 01:08:07,680
middle of my calf muscle

1623
01:08:11,349 --> 01:08:09,839
and when i saw that i mean i never had

1624
01:08:13,750 --> 01:08:11,359
any intention of writing a book or

1625
01:08:15,910 --> 01:08:13,760
speaking publicly about this

1626
01:08:16,789 --> 01:08:15,920
but when i saw that that validated to me

1627
01:08:19,990 --> 01:08:16,799
that

1628
01:08:23,189 --> 01:08:20,000
their hands on me

1629
01:08:26,229 --> 01:08:23,199
and that was just hard to live with and

1630
01:08:29,349 --> 01:08:26,239
uh well and i mean well see this

1631
01:08:33,990 --> 01:08:29,359
is uh this is what's pretty amazing

1632
01:08:34,870 --> 01:08:34,000
is that up to that point uh 2012 2013

1633
01:08:39,030 --> 01:08:34,880
you're still

1634
01:08:43,510 --> 01:08:39,040
in the law game

1635
01:08:47,030 --> 01:08:43,520
uh you had gone through american samoa

1636
01:08:49,829 --> 01:08:47,040
and the uh uh

1637
01:08:50,470 --> 01:08:49,839
the state's attorney for the vermont's

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01:08:53,910 --> 01:08:50,480
board of

1639
01:08:56,070 --> 01:08:53,920
medical practice and that ended in 2012

1640
01:08:57,590 --> 01:08:56,080
you're still in the professional mindset

1641
01:09:00,390 --> 01:08:57,600
right and and to have

1642
01:09:03,269 --> 01:09:00,400
this suddenly revealed to you it just

1643
01:09:05,349 --> 01:09:03,279
must have been a complete shock

1644
01:09:07,749 --> 01:09:05,359
it was a complete shock i i left the

1645
01:09:09,669 --> 01:09:07,759
state of vermont in january of 2012

1646
01:09:11,749 --> 01:09:09,679
moved to dallas so we'd be with our kids

1647
01:09:14,229 --> 01:09:11,759
and grandkids and uh

1648
01:09:14,789 --> 01:09:14,239
i went to the dallas va and they uh they

1649
01:09:17,829 --> 01:09:14,799
called

1650
01:09:19,910 --> 01:09:17,839
the radiologist down to look at it

1651
01:09:21,749 --> 01:09:19,920
and he came down it was quite annoyed to

1652
01:09:23,269 --> 01:09:21,759
be called down but

1653
01:09:24,709 --> 01:09:23,279
he looked at my x-ray and said you know

1654
01:09:26,789 --> 01:09:24,719
what did you have an accident did you

1655
01:09:28,709 --> 01:09:26,799
run into a radio or something to account

1656
01:09:30,070 --> 01:09:28,719
for this thing in your leg

1657
01:09:31,669 --> 01:09:30,080
and i said i've never had an injury to

1658
01:09:32,789 --> 01:09:31,679
that leg other than the skin knee as a

1659
01:09:34,390 --> 01:09:32,799
kid

1660
01:09:36,870 --> 01:09:34,400
and he said well you have to have a scar

1661
01:09:37,269 --> 01:09:36,880
there and uh he rolled up my pant leg

1662
01:09:39,510 --> 01:09:37,279
again

1663
01:09:41,189 --> 01:09:39,520
and said look for a scar there is no

1664
01:09:43,189 --> 01:09:41,199
scar

1665
01:09:44,470 --> 01:09:43,199
and he was he was upset by that and i

1666
01:09:45,829 --> 01:09:44,480
said well doctor let me ask you how

1667
01:09:47,349 --> 01:09:45,839
often is it that you see a foreign

1668
01:09:50,149 --> 01:09:47,359
object like this in the human body and

1669
01:09:51,749 --> 01:09:50,159
there not be a corresponding scar

1670
01:09:53,669 --> 01:09:51,759
and he said never i said i've been a

1671
01:09:54,149 --> 01:09:53,679
radiologist 23 years i've never seen

1672
01:09:55,590 --> 01:09:54,159
this i

1673
01:09:57,590 --> 01:09:55,600
have no way to account for how this

1674
01:10:01,270 --> 01:09:57,600
thing got into your leg

1675
01:10:05,750 --> 01:10:01,280
and uh the high strangeness uh part of

1676
01:10:08,630 --> 01:10:05,760
it uh what happened oh

1677
01:10:10,310 --> 01:10:08,640
the high strangeness part was uh well

1678
01:10:12,790 --> 01:10:10,320
multi-faceted it was a

1679
01:10:14,390 --> 01:10:12,800
telephone call from tom delong a visit

1680
01:10:16,870 --> 01:10:14,400
by lou elizondo

1681
01:10:19,110 --> 01:10:16,880
168 photographs of helicopters doing

1682
01:10:22,229 --> 01:10:19,120
donuts over my house

1683
01:10:24,229 --> 01:10:22,239
uh weird poltergeist like behavior

1684
01:10:26,470 --> 01:10:24,239
in my house television turning itself on

1685
01:10:29,590 --> 01:10:26,480
in the middle of the night

1686
01:10:31,430 --> 01:10:29,600
things moving around the house my wallet

1687
01:10:32,950 --> 01:10:31,440
ending up on top of the water heaters

1688
01:10:36,149 --> 01:10:32,960
for somehow

1689
01:10:37,990 --> 01:10:36,159
um weird things like uh

1690
01:10:39,750 --> 01:10:38,000
you know i went to buy some birdseed i i

1691
01:10:41,350 --> 01:10:39,760
paid the lady and she said i'm out of

1692
01:10:42,310 --> 01:10:41,360
nichols can i give you pennies i said

1693
01:10:44,149 --> 01:10:42,320
sure no worries

1694
01:10:45,430 --> 01:10:44,159
you know i don't care they were busy i

1695
01:10:47,350 --> 01:10:45,440
was busy

1696
01:10:48,709 --> 01:10:47,360
as soon as those pennies hit my hand i

1697
01:10:51,270 --> 01:10:48,719
knew that one of them

1698
01:10:54,070 --> 01:10:51,280
was what i call a wheat penny a penny

1699
01:10:55,750 --> 01:10:54,080
made before 1959 that has the she's a

1700
01:10:56,070 --> 01:10:55,760
wheat on the back side of it and it says

1701
01:10:59,270 --> 01:10:56,080
one

1702
01:11:00,550 --> 01:10:59,280
cent 1959 they changed it to show the

1703
01:11:03,590 --> 01:11:00,560
picture of the

1704
01:11:06,950 --> 01:11:03,600
the current lincoln memorial yeah

1705
01:11:08,630 --> 01:11:06,960
yeah i knew that there was an old penny

1706
01:11:10,390 --> 01:11:08,640
in that mix i knew it i saw it in my

1707
01:11:11,669 --> 01:11:10,400
mind's eye i stuck the change in my

1708
01:11:13,910 --> 01:11:11,679
pocket because i had a

1709
01:11:15,590 --> 01:11:13,920
50-pound bird seat on my shoulder went

1710
01:11:17,110 --> 01:11:15,600
out to the car as soon as i got home i

1711
01:11:18,790 --> 01:11:17,120
went to take that my change and throw

1712
01:11:20,950 --> 01:11:18,800
out my change drawer as soon as my hand

1713
01:11:22,790 --> 01:11:20,960
touched that changed i knew and i opened

1714
01:11:25,910 --> 01:11:22,800
my hand and i looked at it

1715
01:11:27,430 --> 01:11:25,920
honestly got true it was a 1955 wheat

1716
01:11:29,910 --> 01:11:27,440
penny

1717
01:11:31,350 --> 01:11:29,920
happens to be the year i was born do you

1718
01:11:34,790 --> 01:11:31,360
still have it

1719
01:11:35,910 --> 01:11:34,800
i do 1955 is a special year for the

1720
01:11:37,910 --> 01:11:35,920
wheat penny

1721
01:11:39,590 --> 01:11:37,920
now you're gonna say to yourself jimmy

1722
01:11:43,270 --> 01:11:39,600
how do you know these things

1723
01:11:46,790 --> 01:11:43,280
i just do but the 1955

1724
01:11:49,910 --> 01:11:46,800
uh also was the 1955 double

1725
01:11:52,229 --> 01:11:49,920
die aye yes yes

1726
01:11:54,149 --> 01:11:52,239
is this a was it a double die did you

1727
01:11:57,350 --> 01:11:54,159
take a close look

1728
01:11:59,510 --> 01:11:57,360
you bet i did okay

1729
01:12:00,470 --> 01:11:59,520
oh man terry and i have not discussed

1730
01:12:03,990 --> 01:12:00,480
this before

1731
01:12:07,110 --> 01:12:04,000
uh this is pretty amazing uh

1732
01:12:09,110 --> 01:12:07,120
so it wasn't a double die no it wasn't

1733
01:12:10,310 --> 01:12:09,120
okay it was not because you were

1734
01:12:13,590 --> 01:12:10,320
suddenly rich

1735
01:12:17,830 --> 01:12:13,600
right yeah

1736
01:12:20,229 --> 01:12:17,840
um so now when when

1737
01:12:22,470 --> 01:12:20,239
this type of high strangeness everything

1738
01:12:25,189 --> 01:12:22,480
that you just listed right there

1739
01:12:25,590 --> 01:12:25,199
uh for us in the community are like yeah

1740
01:12:27,590 --> 01:12:25,600
okay

1741
01:12:28,630 --> 01:12:27,600
all right all right but there are those

1742
01:12:32,390 --> 01:12:28,640
out there

1743
01:12:45,590 --> 01:12:32,400
uh that are listening going now come on

1744
01:12:49,990 --> 01:12:47,189
yeah you know i think that's human

1745
01:12:51,669 --> 01:12:50,000
nature you want to jump for the uh for

1746
01:12:53,830 --> 01:12:51,679
an explanation you want to look for some

1747
01:12:57,110 --> 01:12:53,840
reason for this to happen

1748
01:12:58,709 --> 01:12:57,120
but you know after what nine years

1749
01:13:01,510 --> 01:12:58,719
whatever it's been now

1750
01:13:02,950 --> 01:13:01,520
working long has been nine years uh you

1751
01:13:04,630 --> 01:13:02,960
know tv comes on in the middle of the

1752
01:13:06,390 --> 01:13:04,640
night my wife or i will get up and go

1753
01:13:09,990 --> 01:13:06,400
and grab the remote and turn it off

1754
01:13:11,189 --> 01:13:10,000
and we say out loud knock it off and uh

1755
01:13:14,950 --> 01:13:11,199
you know i mean it doesn't happen every

1756
01:13:17,669 --> 01:13:14,960
night it happens a couple times a year

1757
01:13:18,390 --> 01:13:17,679
but high strangeness happens it sure

1758
01:13:20,790 --> 01:13:18,400
does

1759
01:13:22,470 --> 01:13:20,800
i do can i ask you how did you end up

1760
01:13:25,030 --> 01:13:22,480
finding your wallet

1761
01:13:25,990 --> 01:13:25,040
i mean on top of the water heater my

1762
01:13:29,590 --> 01:13:26,000
wallet would stay

1763
01:13:33,350 --> 01:13:29,600
lost forever i would never

1764
01:13:36,630 --> 01:13:33,360
find it how did you find it yeah i i

1765
01:13:39,430 --> 01:13:36,640
well our hot water heater is in a uh

1766
01:13:39,750 --> 01:13:39,440
like a little alcove in the garage right

1767
01:13:41,830 --> 01:13:39,760
and

1768
01:13:43,430 --> 01:13:41,840
uh i said i was gonna look everywhere

1769
01:13:46,709 --> 01:13:43,440
and i did look everywhere

1770
01:13:47,110 --> 01:13:46,719
and uh you know fortunately i looked

1771
01:13:52,709 --> 01:13:47,120
there

1772
01:13:55,030 --> 01:13:52,719
ours is in the same you know in the

1773
01:13:58,149 --> 01:13:55,040
garage and in alcove it's up on a

1774
01:14:03,110 --> 01:13:58,159
shelf and uh this custom

1775
01:14:05,350 --> 01:14:03,120
thing and i never go back there

1776
01:14:07,189 --> 01:14:05,360
i you know we replaced the water heater

1777
01:14:07,830 --> 01:14:07,199
five years ago i haven't i haven't

1778
01:14:10,950 --> 01:14:07,840
touched it

1779
01:14:14,070 --> 01:14:10,960
since i would have no reason

1780
01:14:15,590 --> 01:14:14,080
to go there and look for my wallet

1781
01:14:17,189 --> 01:14:15,600
it would it would have stayed there

1782
01:14:21,510 --> 01:14:17,199
forever um

1783
01:14:24,229 --> 01:14:21,520
how do you think the wallet got there

1784
01:14:25,350 --> 01:14:24,239
and what i'm what i'm what i'm i don't

1785
01:14:29,030 --> 01:14:25,360
want to suggest

1786
01:14:33,510 --> 01:14:29,040
something but did somebody or

1787
01:14:36,630 --> 01:14:33,520
something put it there

1788
01:14:39,110 --> 01:14:36,640
was it a visitor in the night

1789
01:14:42,310 --> 01:14:39,120
how do you think it got there you know

1790
01:14:44,790 --> 01:14:42,320
jimmy i can only make an assumption here

1791
01:14:46,149 --> 01:14:44,800
i know my wife didn't put it there you

1792
01:14:47,830 --> 01:14:46,159
know our kids don't live with us they're

1793
01:14:48,470 --> 01:14:47,840
grown they have their own houses their

1794
01:14:51,750 --> 01:14:48,480
own

1795
01:14:53,350 --> 01:14:51,760
places and i

1796
01:14:55,030 --> 01:14:53,360
i think it was put there by non-human

1797
01:14:57,830 --> 01:14:55,040
entities right

1798
01:14:58,149 --> 01:14:57,840
that's what i believe and i can't prove

1799
01:15:00,950 --> 01:14:58,159
it

1800
01:15:04,149 --> 01:15:00,960
right that's what i so you're being

1801
01:15:09,910 --> 01:15:07,189
absolutely how many

1802
01:15:11,990 --> 01:15:09,920
how many incidents have you had like

1803
01:15:13,830 --> 01:15:12,000
this

1804
01:15:16,070 --> 01:15:13,840
you know in the second book the

1805
01:15:17,750 --> 01:15:16,080
reckoning i describe an incident that i

1806
01:15:21,110 --> 01:15:17,760
had on april 16th

1807
01:15:22,630 --> 01:15:21,120
of 2019 and i can run you through

1808
01:15:24,470 --> 01:15:22,640
run through that real quick because it's

1809
01:15:26,630 --> 01:15:24,480
a great story and it's got great

1810
01:15:28,550 --> 01:15:26,640
documentation i've got the

1811
01:15:31,030 --> 01:15:28,560
in the red book in the reckoning i've

1812
01:15:34,470 --> 01:15:31,040
got the actual photographs of my iphone

1813
01:15:39,030 --> 01:15:34,480
and my medical bills to document this

1814
01:15:42,229 --> 01:15:39,040
i woke up at 5 55 a.m on april 16 2019

1815
01:15:43,750 --> 01:15:42,239
i woke up out of breath and uh i felt

1816
01:15:45,110 --> 01:15:43,760
like i'd run a hundred yards i mean i

1817
01:15:46,310 --> 01:15:45,120
didn't have any chest pain but i had

1818
01:15:48,630 --> 01:15:46,320
this terrible

1819
01:15:50,709 --> 01:15:48,640
thirst for oxygen and i sat up in bed

1820
01:15:52,229 --> 01:15:50,719
and i told my wife i think i'm having

1821
01:15:53,669 --> 01:15:52,239
because i've had a couple heart attacks

1822
01:15:55,669 --> 01:15:53,679
i said i think i may be having some kind

1823
01:15:57,990 --> 01:15:55,679
of cardiac event

1824
01:16:00,149 --> 01:15:58,000
call 9-1-1 and she did and they came and

1825
01:16:02,310 --> 01:16:00,159
they got me they took me to the hospital

1826
01:16:03,189 --> 01:16:02,320
and you know i was tachycardic my pulse

1827
01:16:05,350 --> 01:16:03,199
was through the roof

1828
01:16:08,149 --> 01:16:05,360
uh my blood pressure was like 210 over

1829
01:16:09,669 --> 01:16:08,159
160 or some crazy stuff

1830
01:16:12,310 --> 01:16:09,679
but i get to the hospital and everything

1831
01:16:14,149 --> 01:16:12,320
calms down and i mean i've

1832
01:16:16,310 --> 01:16:14,159
you know i've been to the hospital with

1833
01:16:17,830 --> 01:16:16,320
heart heart pain you know

1834
01:16:20,709 --> 01:16:17,840
more than once so i know the run down

1835
01:16:21,590 --> 01:16:20,719
it's me ekg cardiac enzymes and a chest

1836
01:16:23,189 --> 01:16:21,600
x-ray

1837
01:16:24,630 --> 01:16:23,199
they do all three they all come back

1838
01:16:26,709 --> 01:16:24,640
negative and

1839
01:16:28,870 --> 01:16:26,719
uh later that afternoon the doc says you

1840
01:16:30,550 --> 01:16:28,880
you know your ekg looks unchanged from

1841
01:16:33,270 --> 01:16:30,560
last time we're gonna cut you loose

1842
01:16:34,070 --> 01:16:33,280
i said great good i felt fine i went

1843
01:16:37,350 --> 01:16:34,080
home

1844
01:16:39,110 --> 01:16:37,360
now i sleep with this iphone this iphone

1845
01:16:42,470 --> 01:16:39,120
6. i know it's outdated but

1846
01:16:44,310 --> 01:16:42,480
i sleep with it in a t-shirt pocket um

1847
01:16:46,390 --> 01:16:44,320
because i listen to meditative apps at

1848
01:16:47,430 --> 01:16:46,400
night now i've been doing this since i

1849
01:16:49,510 --> 01:16:47,440
did it with a

1850
01:16:50,550 --> 01:16:49,520
walkman i used to wear the little

1851
01:16:53,189 --> 01:16:50,560
headphones

1852
01:16:54,149 --> 01:16:53,199
to get to sleep because i you know i

1853
01:16:57,189 --> 01:16:54,159
need to have

1854
01:16:59,750 --> 01:16:57,199
the house sounds masked by something

1855
01:17:01,750 --> 01:16:59,760
so i sleep with this iphone in my pocket

1856
01:17:01,990 --> 01:17:01,760
it's shielded so the emf doesn't get to

1857
01:17:07,910 --> 01:17:02,000
my

1858
01:17:10,470 --> 01:17:07,920
in at night and uh

1859
01:17:12,390 --> 01:17:10,480
i woke up that morning my ear my earbuds

1860
01:17:13,830 --> 01:17:12,400
were on my chest they weren't my ears

1861
01:17:16,390 --> 01:17:13,840
but that was the least of my concern my

1862
01:17:19,669 --> 01:17:16,400
concern was oxygen

1863
01:17:21,270 --> 01:17:19,679
so later that night i went got home we

1864
01:17:22,870 --> 01:17:21,280
had dinner i went out to do my usual

1865
01:17:24,470 --> 01:17:22,880
walk i pull out my health app i want to

1866
01:17:25,110 --> 01:17:24,480
see how many steps i walk for the day

1867
01:17:28,070 --> 01:17:25,120
because i

1868
01:17:29,350 --> 01:17:28,080
got a minimum you know i'd walk like 600

1869
01:17:31,990 --> 01:17:29,360
steps or something because i spent the

1870
01:17:33,510 --> 01:17:32,000
whole day at the hospital and

1871
01:17:37,030 --> 01:17:33,520
but then i looked down and it showed

1872
01:17:38,149 --> 01:17:37,040
that i'd climb six flights of stairs

1873
01:17:39,990 --> 01:17:38,159
and i'm like wait a minute i haven't

1874
01:17:42,149 --> 01:17:40,000
climbed a single stair today i live in a

1875
01:17:43,430 --> 01:17:42,159
one-story ranch house with one step it's

1876
01:17:46,149 --> 01:17:43,440
called my threshold

1877
01:17:48,149 --> 01:17:46,159
right and you posted i'm going to just

1878
01:17:49,030 --> 01:17:48,159
jump ahead as i pull this up you posted

1879
01:17:52,470 --> 01:17:49,040
a picture of this

1880
01:17:59,030 --> 01:17:56,470
terry yes you posted a picture okay

1881
01:18:01,110 --> 01:17:59,040
i'm going to pull it up yes and i'm

1882
01:18:02,950 --> 01:18:01,120
gonna i'm gonna pull that up okay so uh

1883
01:18:05,990 --> 01:18:02,960
continue you're looking at your iphone

1884
01:18:07,270 --> 01:18:06,000
six flights of stairs yeah

1885
01:18:09,030 --> 01:18:07,280
six flights of stairs but what was

1886
01:18:12,390 --> 01:18:09,040
interesting was there's only one bar

1887
01:18:14,070 --> 01:18:12,400
there's one red bar on the x y axis

1888
01:18:15,510 --> 01:18:14,080
where you know the passage of time is

1889
01:18:17,910 --> 01:18:15,520
from left to right

1890
01:18:19,830 --> 01:18:17,920
and then you know height of course is on

1891
01:18:23,590 --> 01:18:19,840
the vertical axis

1892
01:18:27,189 --> 01:18:23,600
and uh it showed in 10 foot increments

1893
01:18:29,669 --> 01:18:27,199
because stairs are a standard ten foot

1894
01:18:30,790 --> 01:18:29,679
in ten foot increments i went from zero

1895
01:18:33,669 --> 01:18:30,800
stairs

1896
01:18:34,470 --> 01:18:33,679
to sixth completing six flights or 60

1897
01:18:38,950 --> 01:18:34,480
feet

1898
01:18:40,870 --> 01:18:38,960
between 5 23 and 5 24 am

1899
01:18:42,550 --> 01:18:40,880
now i i could never climb six flights of

1900
01:18:44,310 --> 01:18:42,560
stairs in under a minute

1901
01:18:46,070 --> 01:18:44,320
you know normally when i climb stairs

1902
01:18:47,750 --> 01:18:46,080
the readout that i got on that i still

1903
01:18:50,229 --> 01:18:47,760
get on my health app

1904
01:18:51,510 --> 01:18:50,239
shows um like a stair-step type thing

1905
01:18:53,990 --> 01:18:51,520
because it uh

1906
01:18:54,870 --> 01:18:54,000
you know you climb one flight of stairs

1907
01:18:57,910 --> 01:18:54,880
and then

1908
01:18:58,790 --> 01:18:57,920
time is moving by on that x-axis and

1909
01:19:00,790 --> 01:18:58,800
then the next step

1910
01:19:02,550 --> 01:19:00,800
next when i reach the second floor then

1911
01:19:04,070 --> 01:19:02,560
there'll be a

1912
01:19:05,830 --> 01:19:04,080
you know a red line will go up to the

1913
01:19:09,030 --> 01:19:05,840
second floor and then to the third and

1914
01:19:13,990 --> 01:19:11,110
but this had no this had no stair step

1915
01:19:16,070 --> 01:19:14,000
type readout this had one single bar

1916
01:19:19,590 --> 01:19:16,080
showing that i had made the trip 60 feet

1917
01:19:21,669 --> 01:19:19,600
up between 5 23 and 5 24 am

1918
01:19:23,669 --> 01:19:21,679
i had the phone checked by t-mobile and

1919
01:19:25,430 --> 01:19:23,679
by an engineer at apple

1920
01:19:26,790 --> 01:19:25,440
nothing wrong with the app nothing wrong

1921
01:19:28,470 --> 01:19:26,800
with the phone

1922
01:19:30,630 --> 01:19:28,480
the engineer at apple i said well you

1923
01:19:32,310 --> 01:19:30,640
know what does this mean

1924
01:19:34,950 --> 01:19:32,320
she said it means your phone was 60 feet

1925
01:19:36,229 --> 01:19:34,960
above your house between 5 23 and 5 24

1926
01:19:40,310 --> 01:19:36,239
am on april 16

1927
01:19:44,310 --> 01:19:40,320
2019. i just posted the picture here

1928
01:19:47,430 --> 01:19:44,320
uh for everybody and you have to see it

1929
01:19:50,790 --> 01:19:47,440
and it's right there april uh 16th

1930
01:19:52,790 --> 01:19:50,800
uh 2019 and

1931
01:19:54,630 --> 01:19:52,800
uh there's the steps there's the walking

1932
01:19:58,470 --> 01:19:54,640
but there's the flights

1933
01:20:01,990 --> 01:19:58,480
climbed six floors

1934
01:20:03,990 --> 01:20:02,000
and at 4 16

1935
01:20:05,750 --> 01:20:04,000
i i can't read i don't have my glasses

1936
01:20:09,110 --> 01:20:05,760
on terry but it's between four

1937
01:20:11,830 --> 01:20:09,120
and five a.m

1938
01:20:13,270 --> 01:20:11,840
yes and to the best of your knowledge

1939
01:20:15,270 --> 01:20:13,280
i'm gonna play attorney

1940
01:20:18,310 --> 01:20:15,280
to the best of your knowledge your house

1941
01:20:23,430 --> 01:20:18,320
is how many stories tall

1942
01:20:30,149 --> 01:20:26,950
and uh you know

1943
01:20:33,030 --> 01:20:30,159
i woke up at 5 55 a.m

1944
01:20:35,590 --> 01:20:33,040
this event happened at 5 between 5 23

1945
01:20:38,149 --> 01:20:35,600
and 5 24 according to apple

1946
01:20:40,950 --> 01:20:38,159
so at 5 23 5 24 as far as i knew i was

1947
01:20:45,990 --> 01:20:40,960
in sleep asleep beside my wife in bed

1948
01:20:49,510 --> 01:20:46,000
aha judge i arrest my case

1949
01:20:52,229 --> 01:20:49,520
the defense rest your honor um

1950
01:20:54,790 --> 01:20:52,239
this is this is incredible is that uh

1951
01:20:56,870 --> 01:20:54,800
did you jump i i i just want to know

1952
01:20:58,790 --> 01:20:56,880
did you jump online and see if anybody

1953
01:21:00,629 --> 01:20:58,800
else had issues with iphones

1954
01:21:03,270 --> 01:21:00,639
and stuff like this were you able to

1955
01:21:05,189 --> 01:21:03,280
find or chase this down with this

1956
01:21:06,550 --> 01:21:05,199
i did yeah i did actually and you know

1957
01:21:08,070 --> 01:21:06,560
what i found was i found

1958
01:21:09,830 --> 01:21:08,080
i didn't find iphones because most

1959
01:21:10,390 --> 01:21:09,840
people don't sleep with an iphone like i

1960
01:21:13,590 --> 01:21:10,400
do

1961
01:21:16,149 --> 01:21:13,600
but fitbits lots of people with fitbits

1962
01:21:18,070 --> 01:21:16,159
have had these crazy readings where you

1963
01:21:19,990 --> 01:21:18,080
know they found that they you know were

1964
01:21:22,310 --> 01:21:20,000
same thing i found you know six flights

1965
01:21:23,669 --> 01:21:22,320
of 60 feet over their house at 2 a.m in

1966
01:21:26,830 --> 01:21:23,679
the morning

1967
01:21:30,070 --> 01:21:26,840
so yeah the phenomenon is out there now

1968
01:21:34,149 --> 01:21:30,080
okay now let's let's go there

1969
01:21:38,390 --> 01:21:36,070
well we know for certain one thing and

1970
01:21:39,830 --> 01:21:38,400
that is that my phone was 60 feet over

1971
01:21:42,229 --> 01:21:39,840
my location

1972
01:21:43,510 --> 01:21:42,239
at between 5 23 and 5 24 am that's a

1973
01:21:47,590 --> 01:21:43,520
certainty

1974
01:21:49,110 --> 01:21:47,600
this height is measured not by gps but

1975
01:21:54,830 --> 01:21:49,120
measured by change in barometric

1976
01:21:54,840 --> 01:22:15,510
accurate

1977
01:22:19,510 --> 01:22:17,990
yeah you know i can't dispute that i

1978
01:22:20,709 --> 01:22:19,520
wouldn't know how to use a drone if i

1979
01:22:23,510 --> 01:22:20,719
had to

1980
01:22:24,629 --> 01:22:23,520
um but you know why why would i do that

1981
01:22:27,830 --> 01:22:24,639
and then increase 800

1982
01:22:30,149 --> 01:22:27,840
worth of medical bills you know uh

1983
01:22:31,590 --> 01:22:30,159
if it were it's not a hoax if it was a

1984
01:22:35,030 --> 01:22:31,600
hoax it was an expensive one

1985
01:22:36,830 --> 01:22:35,040
geez so uh it's in your pocket

1986
01:22:38,550 --> 01:22:36,840
your six dollar think you were doing up

1987
01:22:41,030 --> 01:22:38,560
there

1988
01:22:42,550 --> 01:22:41,040
i think that they took me yeah i know

1989
01:22:44,070 --> 01:22:42,560
that's just a vague answer but i think

1990
01:22:46,950 --> 01:22:44,080
that's

1991
01:22:47,669 --> 01:22:46,960
i think they took me how's your wife

1992
01:22:51,270 --> 01:22:47,679
with this

1993
01:22:54,390 --> 01:22:51,280
today you know

1994
01:22:55,910 --> 01:22:54,400
she's been we've been uh together we've

1995
01:22:58,950 --> 01:22:55,920
been married 47 years

1996
01:22:59,669 --> 01:22:58,960
together two years before that so she

1997
01:23:02,629 --> 01:22:59,679
knows

1998
01:23:03,430 --> 01:23:02,639
that strange things happen you know and

1999
01:23:05,030 --> 01:23:03,440
uh

2000
01:23:06,470 --> 01:23:05,040
you know we'll be outside sometime and

2001
01:23:07,270 --> 01:23:06,480
i'll see something weird in the sky i'll

2002
01:23:09,590 --> 01:23:07,280
say look at that

2003
01:23:11,430 --> 01:23:09,600
you know and she's like i can't see

2004
01:23:12,870 --> 01:23:11,440
anything she can't see him

2005
01:23:15,189 --> 01:23:12,880
it's crazy you know if i take a picture

2006
01:23:17,110 --> 01:23:15,199
of him she can see him

2007
01:23:19,189 --> 01:23:17,120
she's been nothing but supportive she's

2008
01:23:22,390 --> 01:23:19,199
only had one weird event in her entire

2009
01:23:24,149 --> 01:23:22,400
marriage to me and that was in 1987 when

2010
01:23:25,910 --> 01:23:24,159
i had the two hours of missing time from

2011
01:23:28,070 --> 01:23:25,920
a motorcycle ride

2012
01:23:29,430 --> 01:23:28,080
that night she swears that she woke up

2013
01:23:30,070 --> 01:23:29,440
in the middle of the night put her arm

2014
01:23:31,830 --> 01:23:30,080
over

2015
01:23:34,229 --> 01:23:31,840
to where i was supposed to be and found

2016
01:23:35,830 --> 01:23:34,239
out i wasn't in bed and she said

2017
01:23:37,110 --> 01:23:35,840
silhouetted against the window at the

2018
01:23:39,830 --> 01:23:37,120
foot of the bed

2019
01:23:41,830 --> 01:23:39,840
was what she perceived to be a petite

2020
01:23:44,550 --> 01:23:41,840
asian woman

2021
01:23:45,430 --> 01:23:44,560
and this woman she saw in silhouette and

2022
01:23:48,070 --> 01:23:45,440
this woman

2023
01:23:50,790 --> 01:23:48,080
spoke to her telepathically and said

2024
01:23:54,310 --> 01:23:50,800
everything is fine go back to sleep

2025
01:23:55,750 --> 01:23:54,320
and that's what she did and she didn't

2026
01:23:57,830 --> 01:23:55,760
tell me about this until late the

2027
01:23:59,350 --> 01:23:57,840
following day

2028
01:24:01,110 --> 01:23:59,360
but she was like i'm sure this wasn't a

2029
01:24:03,669 --> 01:24:01,120
dream

2030
01:24:05,669 --> 01:24:03,679
i said well you know i'm pretty sure too

2031
01:24:06,470 --> 01:24:05,679
no and it's so cool when that happens

2032
01:24:09,590 --> 01:24:06,480
because

2033
01:24:12,790 --> 01:24:09,600
now you have ammunition

2034
01:24:16,070 --> 01:24:12,800
right you can say it's not just me honey

2035
01:24:19,669 --> 01:24:16,080
right you went through this too now

2036
01:24:23,030 --> 01:24:19,679
and now and and rita and i

2037
01:24:25,510 --> 01:24:23,040
i am so happy that we have not not

2038
01:24:27,510 --> 01:24:25,520
you know it hasn't happened a whole lot

2039
01:24:30,629 --> 01:24:27,520
but we've had a few things that

2040
01:24:33,750 --> 01:24:30,639
that it we've gone through to can just

2041
01:24:36,950 --> 01:24:33,760
like say it's this is my thing you know

2042
01:24:38,390 --> 01:24:36,960
it now it's our thing and that's my

2043
01:24:41,750 --> 01:24:38,400
ammunition and i'm

2044
01:24:44,149 --> 01:24:41,760
happy that she has gone through um

2045
01:24:45,830 --> 01:24:44,159
a couple of things uh just like your

2046
01:24:49,189 --> 01:24:45,840
wife you were not there

2047
01:24:52,790 --> 01:24:49,199
when you know that was her own uh

2048
01:24:56,870 --> 01:24:52,800
event that was her own situation and and

2049
01:24:58,629 --> 01:24:56,880
and rita one specific time

2050
01:25:00,470 --> 01:24:58,639
she saw something and i didn't see it

2051
01:25:04,070 --> 01:25:00,480
and we were together

2052
01:25:06,390 --> 01:25:04,080
and so it's not just me

2053
01:25:07,430 --> 01:25:06,400
does that make sense you know that makes

2054
01:25:09,030 --> 01:25:07,440
perfect sense to me

2055
01:25:10,550 --> 01:25:09,040
yeah i get a lot i get a lot of comfort

2056
01:25:13,669 --> 01:25:10,560
in that

2057
01:25:15,189 --> 01:25:13,679
i do too it's validation you know i know

2058
01:25:18,310 --> 01:25:15,199
i'm not losing my mind

2059
01:25:19,990 --> 01:25:18,320
and uh you know we're both lucky to have

2060
01:25:20,870 --> 01:25:20,000
good women that are supportive of us and

2061
01:25:23,830 --> 01:25:20,880
understanding

2062
01:25:25,030 --> 01:25:23,840
because not everybody is so much new no

2063
01:25:27,189 --> 01:25:25,040
not at all

2064
01:25:28,229 --> 01:25:27,199
um and the other and we're going to talk

2065
01:25:31,750 --> 01:25:28,239
about this um

2066
01:25:32,310 --> 01:25:31,760
after the break um and it's getting out

2067
01:25:35,910 --> 01:25:32,320
there

2068
01:25:39,669 --> 01:25:35,920
with uh other experiencers and

2069
01:25:41,990 --> 01:25:39,679
and and sharing and and listening

2070
01:25:44,550 --> 01:25:42,000
and supporting each other and you've

2071
01:25:46,470 --> 01:25:44,560
been doing a lot of that too right

2072
01:25:47,830 --> 01:25:46,480
yes and you know i think that opens the

2073
01:25:49,350 --> 01:25:47,840
doorway

2074
01:25:51,110 --> 01:25:49,360
i think the more we talk about this

2075
01:25:53,110 --> 01:25:51,120
stuff the more we bring it up

2076
01:25:55,590 --> 01:25:53,120
it opens the doorway because it ramped

2077
01:25:58,629 --> 01:25:55,600
up the activity in my life

2078
01:26:01,110 --> 01:25:58,639
so yeah and uh one of our uh

2079
01:26:02,629 --> 01:26:01,120
friends uh that we have between us is

2080
01:26:06,390 --> 01:26:02,639
lucinda

2081
01:26:08,070 --> 01:26:06,400
and uh she just posted a picture of you

2082
01:26:09,750 --> 01:26:08,080
and james uh together

2083
01:26:11,669 --> 01:26:09,760
and it's a great picture of the three of

2084
01:26:15,110 --> 01:26:11,679
you and

2085
01:26:18,229 --> 01:26:15,120
she is a perfect example of of

2086
01:26:21,590 --> 01:26:18,239
yourself and others where

2087
01:26:23,830 --> 01:26:21,600
i until very recently and i've known

2088
01:26:26,310 --> 01:26:23,840
lucinda for a while

2089
01:26:27,990 --> 01:26:26,320
she's been opening up about these things

2090
01:26:30,229 --> 01:26:28,000
that have been happening

2091
01:26:31,270 --> 01:26:30,239
to her and that she's been going through

2092
01:26:34,790 --> 01:26:31,280
some of them with you

2093
01:26:37,430 --> 01:26:34,800
actually where

2094
01:26:39,110 --> 01:26:37,440
you would never guess because she's just

2095
01:26:40,870 --> 01:26:39,120
a professional mom

2096
01:26:42,310 --> 01:26:40,880
right she's got her family she's got her

2097
01:26:45,270 --> 01:26:42,320
things she's got her life

2098
01:26:47,350 --> 01:26:45,280
and she's dealing with you know and she

2099
01:26:49,590 --> 01:26:47,360
thinks it's pretty cool

2100
01:26:51,270 --> 01:26:49,600
but she's going through these things and

2101
01:26:54,310 --> 01:26:51,280
you guys are able because

2102
01:26:56,390 --> 01:26:54,320
you guys are professionals

2103
01:26:58,550 --> 01:26:56,400
you know she's a deeply insightful

2104
01:27:01,350 --> 01:26:58,560
individual she really is i give her all

2105
01:27:02,950 --> 01:27:01,360
the credit in the world and uh

2106
01:27:05,990 --> 01:27:02,960
you know she's been very supportive of

2107
01:27:10,950 --> 01:27:06,000
me and i'm very grateful for that

2108
01:27:21,189 --> 01:27:18,950
her own and and she's a super mom

2109
01:27:23,270 --> 01:27:21,199
you've seen i want to talk about this

2110
01:27:26,390 --> 01:27:23,280
when uh we get back

2111
01:27:28,470 --> 01:27:26,400
have you seen the tv series people of

2112
01:27:31,350 --> 01:27:28,480
earth

2113
01:27:32,310 --> 01:27:31,360
i i have not i don't i've had cable tv

2114
01:27:35,590 --> 01:27:32,320
in 15 years

2115
01:27:36,950 --> 01:27:35,600
okay the tv series people of earth is a

2116
01:27:39,110 --> 01:27:36,960
comedy

2117
01:27:40,550 --> 01:27:39,120
okay okay i think it's two seasons three

2118
01:27:43,590 --> 01:27:40,560
seasons two seasons

2119
01:27:47,110 --> 01:27:43,600
it's it's no longer on go check it out

2120
01:27:50,470 --> 01:27:47,120
but it is a series it's comedy

2121
01:27:52,790 --> 01:27:50,480
yeah about yvonne smith oh no

2122
01:27:55,830 --> 01:27:52,800
well not about yvonne smith but about

2123
01:27:59,110 --> 01:27:55,840
yvonne smith it's an experiencer group

2124
01:28:00,149 --> 01:27:59,120
that gets together and talks about their

2125
01:28:02,550 --> 01:28:00,159
stuff and

2126
01:28:03,350 --> 01:28:02,560
and what they have been going through

2127
01:28:07,030 --> 01:28:03,360
and

2128
01:28:11,910 --> 01:28:07,040
that

2129
01:28:15,110 --> 01:28:11,920
experiencer group

2130
01:28:18,390 --> 01:28:15,120
and and everybody's uh not only

2131
01:28:20,629 --> 01:28:18,400
well exp and contact but it allows you

2132
01:28:22,550 --> 01:28:20,639
to open up and get that validation that

2133
01:28:24,390 --> 01:28:22,560
you need

2134
01:28:26,229 --> 01:28:24,400
that's absolutely right i mean that that

2135
01:28:27,910 --> 01:28:26,239
kind of support is just invaluable

2136
01:28:31,030 --> 01:28:27,920
and i don't know what people did 50

2137
01:28:33,830 --> 01:28:31,040
years ago when it wasn't available

2138
01:28:35,590 --> 01:28:33,840
i think maybe they maybe they lost their

2139
01:28:36,950 --> 01:28:35,600
minds maybe they drank i don't know you

2140
01:28:38,470 --> 01:28:36,960
know i don't know what

2141
01:28:40,550 --> 01:28:38,480
uh people used to do but you know i

2142
01:28:43,189 --> 01:28:40,560
thank god for opus and and people like

2143
01:28:46,149 --> 01:28:43,199
yvonne smith and kathleen martin

2144
01:28:46,470 --> 01:28:46,159
and uh there really is a support out

2145
01:28:48,070 --> 01:28:46,480
there

2146
01:28:50,629 --> 01:28:48,080
if you've had any experience and it's

2147
01:28:52,470 --> 01:28:50,639
causing you uh discomfort uh

2148
01:28:53,750 --> 01:28:52,480
jumped in and there are there are lots

2149
01:28:54,790 --> 01:28:53,760
of people out there it's a good

2150
01:28:56,390 --> 01:28:54,800
community of people

2151
01:28:58,229 --> 01:28:56,400
you know it's funny that you said that

2152
01:28:59,350 --> 01:28:58,239
i'll give everybody a sneak peek for

2153
01:29:01,990 --> 01:28:59,360
what we're doing next

2154
01:29:03,830 --> 01:29:02,000
week here on fade to black we have

2155
01:29:06,470 --> 01:29:03,840
yvonne smith

2156
01:29:08,229 --> 01:29:06,480
we have kathleen martin and we have

2157
01:29:11,910 --> 01:29:08,239
lucinda

2158
01:29:14,550 --> 01:29:11,920
three nights in a row how crazy is that

2159
01:29:15,750 --> 01:29:14,560
that we just mentioned all three and

2160
01:29:18,629 --> 01:29:15,760
it's just a

2161
01:29:21,189 --> 01:29:18,639
well there are no coincidences are there

2162
01:29:23,510 --> 01:29:21,199
but this is just a natural conversation

2163
01:29:24,709 --> 01:29:23,520
and all three names were just mentioned

2164
01:29:27,270 --> 01:29:24,719
that's weird

2165
01:29:28,870 --> 01:29:27,280
and that's why i do this show terry

2166
01:29:31,030 --> 01:29:28,880
let's take our break right here this is

2167
01:29:33,830 --> 01:29:31,040
fade to black i'm yours jimmy church

2168
01:29:35,430 --> 01:29:33,840
our guest terry lovelace we come back

2169
01:29:35,750 --> 01:29:35,440
we're gonna dive deeper into the new

2170
01:29:38,790 --> 01:29:35,760
book

2171
01:29:40,629 --> 01:29:38,800
devil's den the reckoning i'm real jimmy

2172
01:29:53,540 --> 01:29:40,639
church this is faded black stay with us

2173
01:30:00,470 --> 01:29:53,550
we'll be right back

2174
01:30:06,709 --> 01:30:03,590
way out here we listen to jimmy church

2175
01:30:08,550 --> 01:30:06,719
you're listening to fade to black

2176
01:30:10,629 --> 01:30:08,560
always on the edge of the hottest

2177
01:30:29,110 --> 01:30:10,639
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2178
01:30:33,189 --> 01:30:31,189
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2179
01:30:35,270 --> 01:30:33,199
not of course you do

2180
01:30:36,790 --> 01:30:35,280
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2181
01:30:40,310 --> 01:30:36,800
just go to our membership

2182
01:30:42,310 --> 01:30:40,320
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2183
01:30:44,149 --> 01:30:42,320
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2184
01:30:46,070 --> 01:30:44,159
future of our country and where we're

2185
01:30:46,950 --> 01:30:46,080
headed do you wonder about the food

2186
01:30:51,110 --> 01:30:46,960
supply

2187
01:30:53,270 --> 01:30:51,120
chain could be disastrous

2188
01:30:55,510 --> 01:30:53,280
and they usually occur with little

2189
01:30:56,550 --> 01:30:55,520
warning that's why the smartest thing

2190
01:30:59,750 --> 01:30:56,560
you can do today

2191
01:31:02,070 --> 01:30:59,760
is to stockpile emergency food water

2192
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2193
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2194
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2195
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2196
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2197
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2198
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2199
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2200
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2201
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2203
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off today our guest is terry lovelace

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and terry the book the reckoning which

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is which is out now

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why the decision to write the book

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01:34:52,950 --> 01:34:50,239
you know because there were a lot of

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01:34:55,669 --> 01:34:52,960
unanswered questions

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01:34:57,350 --> 01:34:55,679
answers that i didn't have at the time

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01:34:59,590 --> 01:34:57,360
and there was

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01:35:01,189 --> 01:34:59,600
well i had an editor i had a couple of

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chapters that i wrote for the book that

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he

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concerned

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things that happened to me as a kid my

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early childhood

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01:35:11,830 --> 01:35:09,920
and he's like you know man you got that

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01:35:13,510 --> 01:35:11,840
those bases covered you know with the

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monkey men's story and all that i don't

2281
01:35:17,830 --> 01:35:16,159
think you need all this other stuff

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01:35:19,510 --> 01:35:17,840
well i wanted to say i wanted to tell

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01:35:20,550 --> 01:35:19,520
people about that so i did i included

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01:35:22,950 --> 01:35:20,560
those in the book

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01:35:24,709 --> 01:35:22,960
and i also i promised the readers an

2286
01:35:27,430 --> 01:35:24,719
incident at devil's den

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01:35:29,189 --> 01:35:27,440
in the introduction i talk about strange

2288
01:35:30,870 --> 01:35:29,199
disappearances and stuff that happened

2289
01:35:32,709 --> 01:35:30,880
spooky stuff that happened in devil's

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01:35:35,910 --> 01:35:32,719
den state park

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01:35:37,350 --> 01:35:35,920
i wrote the book in uh 19 or 2017

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01:35:39,830 --> 01:35:37,360
and while i was writing the book in

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01:35:42,310 --> 01:35:39,840
august of 2017 a young man 32 year old

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01:35:44,390 --> 01:35:42,320
young man from bartlesville oklahoma

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01:35:46,390 --> 01:35:44,400
is at devil's den state park with a

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01:35:47,430 --> 01:35:46,400
buddy of his and they're walking the

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01:35:51,030 --> 01:35:47,440
trail

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01:35:53,270 --> 01:35:51,040
state first intercontinental stagecoach

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01:35:56,629 --> 01:35:53,280
line

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01:35:58,310 --> 01:35:56,639
and uh rodney letterman is an asthmatic

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01:36:00,390 --> 01:35:58,320
and he's walking with his buddy and

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01:36:01,990 --> 01:36:00,400
they're going down this trail

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01:36:03,590 --> 01:36:02,000
and the trail's beautiful it's not it's

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01:36:07,109 --> 01:36:03,600
very easy walk so i hear

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01:36:09,669 --> 01:36:07,119
i've never been back but uh

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01:36:10,950 --> 01:36:09,679
he uh he had an asthma attack and he

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01:36:11,830 --> 01:36:10,960
asked his friend he said you know what

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01:36:13,590 --> 01:36:11,840
i've left my

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01:36:15,109 --> 01:36:13,600
inhaler back in the car would you mind

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01:36:16,790 --> 01:36:15,119
and he says no no there's no sweat i'll

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01:36:18,470 --> 01:36:16,800
run back and get it for you

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01:36:19,990 --> 01:36:18,480
so his friend runs back to the it was a

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01:36:22,229 --> 01:36:20,000
truck actually runs back to the truck

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01:36:24,470 --> 01:36:22,239
grabs the inhaler

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01:36:25,910 --> 01:36:24,480
and runs back and it's gone maybe 30

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01:36:28,070 --> 01:36:25,920
minutes he gets back

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01:36:29,109 --> 01:36:28,080
and you know there's no rodney letterman

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01:36:30,550 --> 01:36:29,119
he's gone

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01:36:32,390 --> 01:36:30,560
but his cell phone is laying on the

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01:36:33,750 --> 01:36:32,400
ground uh you know i don't know about

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01:36:35,510 --> 01:36:33,760
you but my cell phone's either in my

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01:36:37,189 --> 01:36:35,520
pocket or in my hand i wouldn't lay it

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01:36:37,430 --> 01:36:37,199
on the ground much less walk away from

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01:36:41,270 --> 01:36:37,440
it

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01:36:42,629 --> 01:36:41,280
never and uh this was a saturday

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01:36:43,830 --> 01:36:42,639
afternoon and there were people on the

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01:36:45,990 --> 01:36:43,840
trail

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01:36:48,470 --> 01:36:46,000
so he calls the park rangers because he

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01:36:50,550 --> 01:36:48,480
knows when he's having this assassin

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01:36:51,669 --> 01:36:50,560
the terrain off the off of the trail is

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01:36:53,830 --> 01:36:51,679
rough

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01:36:55,990 --> 01:36:53,840
you know lots of rocks and trees and

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01:36:58,709 --> 01:36:56,000
roots and things

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01:36:59,109 --> 01:36:58,719
and any uh the rangers responded right

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01:37:01,990 --> 01:36:59,119
away

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01:37:02,870 --> 01:37:02,000
the park rangers were like all over this

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01:37:04,950 --> 01:37:02,880
and they

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01:37:06,390 --> 01:37:04,960
instigated an immediate search for the

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01:37:09,109 --> 01:37:06,400
guy and

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01:37:10,310 --> 01:37:09,119
couldn't find him and then they pulled

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01:37:12,629 --> 01:37:10,320
in

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01:37:14,229 --> 01:37:12,639
uh park rangers from the federal side

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01:37:16,629 --> 01:37:14,239
the uh national forest

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01:37:17,830 --> 01:37:16,639
ozark national park on the on the east

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01:37:19,910 --> 01:37:17,840
side

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01:37:21,109 --> 01:37:19,920
and then they they got volunteers and

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01:37:23,590 --> 01:37:21,119
they got uh

2348
01:37:25,109 --> 01:37:23,600
you know uh from the national guard the

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01:37:26,870 --> 01:37:25,119
helicopters with the forward-looking

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01:37:29,189 --> 01:37:26,880
infrared radar

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01:37:30,950 --> 01:37:29,199
and uh all the sophisticated electronics

2352
01:37:32,709 --> 01:37:30,960
to find this guy

2353
01:37:34,229 --> 01:37:32,719
well i published the book in march of

2354
01:37:36,390 --> 01:37:34,239
2018. he went

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01:37:37,590 --> 01:37:36,400
missing in august of 2017 and when i

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01:37:39,750 --> 01:37:37,600
published the book

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01:37:41,669 --> 01:37:39,760
he hadn't been found but i promised the

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01:37:42,310 --> 01:37:41,679
readers that i'd update them if i got

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01:37:46,950 --> 01:37:42,320
any

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01:37:49,590 --> 01:37:46,960
news from march of 2019

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01:37:51,270 --> 01:37:49,600
young couple is walking down the path

2362
01:37:56,070 --> 01:37:51,280
and the young lady says

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01:37:57,669 --> 01:37:56,080
to her friend is that an albino turtle

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01:37:59,270 --> 01:37:57,679
and her friend kind of shakes his head

2365
01:38:02,390 --> 01:37:59,280
and says what are you talking about and

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01:38:05,030 --> 01:38:02,400
and she's pointing and they walk over

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01:38:06,470 --> 01:38:05,040
and here is this kind of football shaped

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01:38:09,590 --> 01:38:06,480
curved object

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01:38:11,350 --> 01:38:09,600
brilliant white sitting atop a log

2370
01:38:14,229 --> 01:38:11,360
and this log is placed right along the

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01:38:17,030 --> 01:38:14,239
trail and this thing is like

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01:38:18,310 --> 01:38:17,040
it's like it was set there and he goes

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01:38:19,669 --> 01:38:18,320
over and he picks it up

2374
01:38:21,830 --> 01:38:19,679
and it's the very top of rodney

2375
01:38:24,870 --> 01:38:21,840
letterman's skull

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01:38:27,109 --> 01:38:24,880
bleached white by the sun wow

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01:38:28,470 --> 01:38:27,119
sent to the bartlesville oklahoma

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01:38:30,950 --> 01:38:28,480
medical examiner

2379
01:38:32,629 --> 01:38:30,960
who determined through dna evidence that

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01:38:33,910 --> 01:38:32,639
it that it did belong to rodney

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01:38:35,350 --> 01:38:33,920
letterman

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01:38:37,350 --> 01:38:35,360
uh and that's all they ever found with a

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01:38:39,109 --> 01:38:37,360
guy not a stitch of clothing

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01:38:40,950 --> 01:38:39,119
not anything but what interests me is

2385
01:38:41,750 --> 01:38:40,960
how do i get how did it get on top of

2386
01:38:43,270 --> 01:38:41,760
this log

2387
01:38:45,270 --> 01:38:43,280
they're doing a search they've got

2388
01:38:48,550 --> 01:38:45,280
everybody out there and they don't

2389
01:38:50,629 --> 01:38:48,560
find that that's

2390
01:38:52,149 --> 01:38:50,639
that's strange for so many i mean how

2391
01:38:52,709 --> 01:38:52,159
many people are walking up and down the

2392
01:38:56,470 --> 01:38:52,719
trail

2393
01:39:00,629 --> 01:38:56,480
right yeah yeah and uh

2394
01:39:02,390 --> 01:39:00,639
okay continue that's that's mind-blowing

2395
01:39:04,709 --> 01:39:02,400
it is mind-blowing and like i say it's

2396
01:39:06,790 --> 01:39:04,719
the you know thinking back from

2397
01:39:08,870 --> 01:39:06,800
you know law enforcement days i mean

2398
01:39:10,149 --> 01:39:08,880
that's like a place that's like a staged

2399
01:39:11,590 --> 01:39:10,159
crime scene almost

2400
01:39:13,590 --> 01:39:11,600
you know somebody had to place the

2401
01:39:14,629 --> 01:39:13,600
somebody or something had to place that

2402
01:39:16,629 --> 01:39:14,639
there

2403
01:39:18,390 --> 01:39:16,639
would be in plain sight for 500 people

2404
01:39:20,550 --> 01:39:18,400
to walk by and see every day

2405
01:39:22,229 --> 01:39:20,560
right right right so and that's the

2406
01:39:25,750 --> 01:39:22,239
mystery

2407
01:39:27,030 --> 01:39:25,760
and uh continuing with the book why now

2408
01:39:30,390 --> 01:39:27,040
in the updates

2409
01:39:34,629 --> 01:39:30,400
um uh i

2410
01:39:37,590 --> 01:39:34,639
i how do i say this because

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01:39:38,310 --> 01:39:37,600
of uh the original the original book in

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01:39:41,350 --> 01:39:38,320
devil's den

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01:39:44,390 --> 01:39:41,360
and how that was laid out um

2414
01:39:47,270 --> 01:39:44,400
to go to a part two

2415
01:39:48,070 --> 01:39:47,280
and now you're going to uh share with

2416
01:39:51,350 --> 01:39:48,080
everybody

2417
01:39:55,030 --> 01:39:51,360
these continued uh experiences

2418
01:39:58,149 --> 01:39:55,040
uh was it just yours were you pulling in

2419
01:39:59,430 --> 01:39:58,159
other experiences uh from others around

2420
01:40:02,950 --> 01:39:59,440
you

2421
01:40:04,390 --> 01:40:02,960
back of incident at devil's den and i

2422
01:40:05,910 --> 01:40:04,400
said look you know i'm not a doctor or a

2423
01:40:07,510 --> 01:40:05,920
therapist or anything but if you've had

2424
01:40:09,030 --> 01:40:07,520
an experience

2425
01:40:10,470 --> 01:40:09,040
and you've not shared it with anyone or

2426
01:40:12,470 --> 01:40:10,480
you're afraid to share it with anyone

2427
01:40:14,550 --> 01:40:12,480
you can share it with me in confidence

2428
01:40:16,470 --> 01:40:14,560
uh you know lawyers know how to keep

2429
01:40:17,990 --> 01:40:16,480
secrets and i won't uh

2430
01:40:19,270 --> 01:40:18,000
you know unless you notice i have you

2431
01:40:20,709 --> 01:40:19,280
written permission i won't tell your

2432
01:40:23,750 --> 01:40:20,719
story

2433
01:40:28,229 --> 01:40:23,760
and i got i got 1600 emails

2434
01:40:30,950 --> 01:40:28,239
since 2018. 1600

2435
01:40:32,709 --> 01:40:30,960
and i've got a core group of those about

2436
01:40:34,950 --> 01:40:32,719
400 stories

2437
01:40:35,830 --> 01:40:34,960
that are just absolutely incredible and

2438
01:40:37,590 --> 01:40:35,840
you know there's this thread of

2439
01:40:39,189 --> 01:40:37,600
commonality that runs through all of

2440
01:40:40,709 --> 01:40:39,199
them they all start off with a

2441
01:40:42,070 --> 01:40:40,719
disclaimer they all start off with this

2442
01:40:43,510 --> 01:40:42,080
first paragraph where they say now

2443
01:40:43,990 --> 01:40:43,520
please don't think i'm drinking or i'm

2444
01:40:45,830 --> 01:40:44,000
crazy

2445
01:40:47,030 --> 01:40:45,840
please don't think you know i'm on

2446
01:40:49,510 --> 01:40:47,040
medication or

2447
01:40:51,750 --> 01:40:49,520
you know smoking marijuana or whatever

2448
01:40:53,750 --> 01:40:51,760
you know i promise i'm stone cold sober

2449
01:40:55,990 --> 01:40:53,760
so they give this disclaimer and then

2450
01:40:59,030 --> 01:40:56,000
they tell me these amazing stories

2451
01:41:00,870 --> 01:40:59,040
uh just the most incredible stories

2452
01:41:03,109 --> 01:41:00,880
and i took 50 of them 50 of these

2453
01:41:05,990 --> 01:41:03,119
stories 50 of the best of the best

2454
01:41:07,830 --> 01:41:06,000
and i reached out to the people and

2455
01:41:08,550 --> 01:41:07,840
spoke with them and i eliminated about

2456
01:41:10,950 --> 01:41:08,560
20

2457
01:41:12,149 --> 01:41:10,960
or so so i've got 30 of these stories in

2458
01:41:15,109 --> 01:41:12,159
the back of the book

2459
01:41:16,390 --> 01:41:15,119
and i'd love to share a couple hey we're

2460
01:41:19,030 --> 01:41:16,400
going to go right there

2461
01:41:20,370 --> 01:41:19,040
and and you can tell that i'm leading

2462
01:41:21,590 --> 01:41:20,380
these questions

2463
01:41:24,390 --> 01:41:21,600
[Laughter]

2464
01:41:25,270 --> 01:41:24,400
because i know what was going on and

2465
01:41:33,750 --> 01:41:25,280
this is

2466
01:41:38,149 --> 01:41:33,760
you go from a a professional

2467
01:41:40,950 --> 01:41:38,159
in in law to now a professional ufo

2468
01:41:45,990 --> 01:41:43,189
how do you how do you approach this is

2469
01:41:49,189 --> 01:41:46,000
it the the methodical pragmatic

2470
01:41:51,590 --> 01:41:49,199
way of going through case law you know

2471
01:41:54,550 --> 01:41:51,600
is is is that something that you were

2472
01:41:56,390 --> 01:41:54,560
able to apply to each one of these

2473
01:41:57,590 --> 01:41:56,400
you know i think i did maybe even

2474
01:41:59,270 --> 01:41:57,600
subconsciously

2475
01:42:00,950 --> 01:41:59,280
but i got so many emails i would make a

2476
01:42:02,149 --> 01:42:00,960
pot of coffee every morning i get up at

2477
01:42:03,750 --> 01:42:02,159
5 30 a.m

2478
01:42:05,669 --> 01:42:03,760
and i come in and i answer each and

2479
01:42:08,070 --> 01:42:05,679
every one i think i don't think i've

2480
01:42:12,550 --> 01:42:08,080
missed the one

2481
01:42:16,310 --> 01:42:14,950
it's humbling to have these people email

2482
01:42:17,750 --> 01:42:16,320
you and say now i've never shared this

2483
01:42:20,629 --> 01:42:17,760
with another human being

2484
01:42:21,910 --> 01:42:20,639
but and then um you know and they're

2485
01:42:23,590 --> 01:42:21,920
looking what everybody's looking for

2486
01:42:27,030 --> 01:42:23,600
they're looking for validation

2487
01:42:28,629 --> 01:42:27,040
you know and uh

2488
01:42:30,070 --> 01:42:28,639
it yeah i never pictured myself a

2489
01:42:31,830 --> 01:42:30,080
researcher but you know

2490
01:42:33,430 --> 01:42:31,840
i went about this a very methodical way

2491
01:42:34,870 --> 01:42:33,440
and when i saw that

2492
01:42:36,790 --> 01:42:34,880
throughout these stories there's a

2493
01:42:37,669 --> 01:42:36,800
thread of commonality that runs through

2494
01:42:39,510 --> 01:42:37,679
all of them

2495
01:42:42,149 --> 01:42:39,520
and because i got people letters from

2496
01:42:45,109 --> 01:42:42,159
people with the from the nde community

2497
01:42:46,390 --> 01:42:45,119
uh from the bigfoot community um from

2498
01:42:47,910 --> 01:42:46,400
all different types of paranormal

2499
01:42:49,830 --> 01:42:47,920
experiences

2500
01:42:51,430 --> 01:42:49,840
and you know there really is a common

2501
01:42:53,430 --> 01:42:51,440
thread through all this stuff

2502
01:42:54,629 --> 01:42:53,440
and what i've never noticed yeah what is

2503
01:42:57,510 --> 01:42:54,639
it

2504
01:42:59,750 --> 01:42:57,520
you know i i i wish i knew but you know

2505
01:43:01,990 --> 01:42:59,760
when i say common thread i did this

2506
01:43:03,990 --> 01:43:02,000
i laid these things out on an excel

2507
01:43:07,109 --> 01:43:04,000
spreadsheet

2508
01:43:08,870 --> 01:43:07,119
and i discovered that i'll give you a

2509
01:43:11,750 --> 01:43:08,880
couple for instance

2510
01:43:12,470 --> 01:43:11,760
people that tell me that they've had an

2511
01:43:16,229 --> 01:43:12,480
amazing

2512
01:43:18,149 --> 01:43:16,239
vivid dream from age four or five

2513
01:43:19,590 --> 01:43:18,159
now you know and i and i converse with

2514
01:43:21,189 --> 01:43:19,600
them i talk to them either you know

2515
01:43:22,629 --> 01:43:21,199
through emails telephone

2516
01:43:24,390 --> 01:43:22,639
and i said that's interesting tell me

2517
01:43:28,070 --> 01:43:24,400
about your dream and they tell me this

2518
01:43:31,910 --> 01:43:28,080
very detailed dream in vivid color

2519
01:43:33,350 --> 01:43:31,920
and they describe everything and

2520
01:43:35,430 --> 01:43:33,360
you know they can be 70 years old and

2521
01:43:37,109 --> 01:43:35,440
it's like it happened yesterday

2522
01:43:38,470 --> 01:43:37,119
and i said well tell me this that

2523
01:43:39,990 --> 01:43:38,480
happened when you were age four what'd

2524
01:43:41,990 --> 01:43:40,000
you get for christmas that year where'd

2525
01:43:43,350 --> 01:43:42,000
your family go on vacation how was your

2526
01:43:45,430 --> 01:43:43,360
birthday party

2527
01:43:47,030 --> 01:43:45,440
and that's all gone yeah don't remember

2528
01:43:49,430 --> 01:43:47,040
don't remember yeah yeah

2529
01:43:50,870 --> 01:43:49,440
but this stupid little dream has stuck

2530
01:43:53,109 --> 01:43:50,880
with them

2531
01:43:54,470 --> 01:43:53,119
those are the people that tend to have

2532
01:43:57,830 --> 01:43:54,480
experiences

2533
01:44:00,870 --> 01:43:57,840
do you know how many shows i've done

2534
01:44:03,669 --> 01:44:00,880
where that's exactly

2535
01:44:04,950 --> 01:44:03,679
where you know where i'll go okay so

2536
01:44:07,990 --> 01:44:04,960
your first sighting

2537
01:44:08,550 --> 01:44:08,000
uh uh was when you were 16 when you were

2538
01:44:10,310 --> 01:44:08,560
18.

2539
01:44:11,910 --> 01:44:10,320
well it actually didn't start there

2540
01:44:15,430 --> 01:44:11,920
jimmy i was

2541
01:44:18,950 --> 01:44:15,440
four right it just it's good it's right

2542
01:44:21,430 --> 01:44:18,960
there it's it's it's it's fascinating to

2543
01:44:24,229 --> 01:44:21,440
me fascinating well i'm very interested

2544
01:44:25,590 --> 01:44:24,239
in okay so you've got a top 50 you've

2545
01:44:30,390 --> 01:44:25,600
extrapolated that

2546
01:44:34,790 --> 01:44:30,400
and this is the other thing as a lawyer

2547
01:44:36,550 --> 01:44:34,800
it is your job to connect the dots

2548
01:44:38,470 --> 01:44:36,560
that's your gig right you've got the

2549
01:44:41,030 --> 01:44:38,480
evidence you got the thing you got the k

2550
01:44:42,629 --> 01:44:41,040
you paperwork right it's it's your job

2551
01:44:44,550 --> 01:44:42,639
to connect the dots

2552
01:44:45,830 --> 01:44:44,560
you've got to be able to do that or you

2553
01:44:48,550 --> 01:44:45,840
don't have a case

2554
01:44:49,830 --> 01:44:48,560
right that's that's right that's it and

2555
01:44:52,149 --> 01:44:49,840
and now here you are

2556
01:44:53,750 --> 01:44:52,159
connecting the dots and so you've got

2557
01:44:57,350 --> 01:44:53,760
your top 50

2558
01:45:00,870 --> 01:44:57,360
uh now you've got your top 30

2559
01:45:03,669 --> 01:45:00,880
and or whatever but this has got to be

2560
01:45:05,350 --> 01:45:03,679
really good stuff here in front of you

2561
01:45:07,189 --> 01:45:05,360
and for you to say

2562
01:45:08,950 --> 01:45:07,199
i've got a couple that i want to share

2563
01:45:11,430 --> 01:45:08,960
you've got my attention

2564
01:45:12,870 --> 01:45:11,440
so let's start with experiencer number

2565
01:45:16,070 --> 01:45:12,880
one

2566
01:45:18,470 --> 01:45:16,080
lady named olivia

2567
01:45:19,990 --> 01:45:18,480
from henderson nevada who told me about

2568
01:45:21,669 --> 01:45:20,000
she's 76 years old

2569
01:45:24,070 --> 01:45:21,679
i don't know many 76 year old women that

2570
01:45:26,790 --> 01:45:24,080
make up fairy tales

2571
01:45:27,189 --> 01:45:26,800
but this woman is cognitively intact she

2572
01:45:29,750 --> 01:45:27,199
is

2573
01:45:30,950 --> 01:45:29,760
sharp as she can be she has a fine arts

2574
01:45:33,350 --> 01:45:30,960
degree

2575
01:45:35,270 --> 01:45:33,360
and in 1968 she was married to her

2576
01:45:36,790 --> 01:45:35,280
husband who was a nephrologist at a las

2577
01:45:39,590 --> 01:45:36,800
vegas

2578
01:45:41,990 --> 01:45:39,600
hospital and he worked even like most

2579
01:45:44,229 --> 01:45:42,000
doctors 70 hours a week

2580
01:45:46,390 --> 01:45:44,239
but he got a one four day weekend a

2581
01:45:48,310 --> 01:45:46,400
month is the deal that he had worked out

2582
01:45:49,910 --> 01:45:48,320
so once a month they would take the

2583
01:45:53,030 --> 01:45:49,920
drive from

2584
01:45:54,629 --> 01:45:53,040
las vegas to reno

2585
01:45:56,310 --> 01:45:54,639
uh what is that i'm going from memory

2586
01:45:57,590 --> 01:45:56,320
240 miles or something

2587
01:46:00,310 --> 01:45:57,600
yeah i don't remember three and a half

2588
01:46:01,189 --> 01:46:00,320
four hours yeah yeah yeah she said about

2589
01:46:03,109 --> 01:46:01,199
four hour drive

2590
01:46:04,870 --> 01:46:03,119
and they used to stop at this little

2591
01:46:06,950 --> 01:46:04,880
town called tunipa

2592
01:46:08,310 --> 01:46:06,960
which which is still there uh as a

2593
01:46:10,790 --> 01:46:08,320
matter of fact my friend dr

2594
01:46:12,149 --> 01:46:10,800
schwartz just drove through there and

2595
01:46:14,870 --> 01:46:12,159
had dinner there

2596
01:46:16,390 --> 01:46:14,880
and it's now called the station but uh

2597
01:46:20,070 --> 01:46:16,400
it used to be called

2598
01:46:22,629 --> 01:46:20,080
stagecoach okay

2599
01:46:24,229 --> 01:46:22,639
so in 1968 they're on their way uh he

2600
01:46:26,070 --> 01:46:24,239
got tied up late at the hospital they

2601
01:46:28,790 --> 01:46:26,080
usually drive it during the day

2602
01:46:30,470 --> 01:46:28,800
but uh to avoid traffic but he got stuck

2603
01:46:31,830 --> 01:46:30,480
at the hospital till late so it's it's

2604
01:46:33,510 --> 01:46:31,840
you know it's after dark by the time

2605
01:46:34,950 --> 01:46:33,520
they get to tunipa

2606
01:46:37,270 --> 01:46:34,960
and they go and they have a nice nice

2607
01:46:39,830 --> 01:46:37,280
meal and uh they didn't have anything to

2608
01:46:41,109 --> 01:46:39,840
drink no alcohol

2609
01:46:43,109 --> 01:46:41,119
you know neither one of them wore

2610
01:46:46,149 --> 01:46:43,119
eyeglasses i asked

2611
01:46:49,030 --> 01:46:46,159
and uh they filled up their gas

2612
01:46:50,629 --> 01:46:49,040
their tank of gas and uh pulled out and

2613
01:46:52,550 --> 01:46:50,639
headed toward reno

2614
01:46:54,629 --> 01:46:52,560
and they're about 10 miles out of town

2615
01:46:56,070 --> 01:46:54,639
and they saw this glow on the horizon on

2616
01:46:59,109 --> 01:46:56,080
the right

2617
01:47:02,149 --> 01:46:59,119
and uh they crusted the top of the hill

2618
01:47:05,109 --> 01:47:02,159
and there was this box store um

2619
01:47:06,709 --> 01:47:05,119
you know about the size of a you know

2620
01:47:09,830 --> 01:47:06,719
about the size of like a breakfast

2621
01:47:13,750 --> 01:47:09,840
restaurant kind of place

2622
01:47:16,390 --> 01:47:13,760
and it has this this in neon lights

2623
01:47:17,590 --> 01:47:16,400
it says christmas spells out christmas

2624
01:47:20,950 --> 01:47:17,600
on top of the thing

2625
01:47:22,950 --> 01:47:20,960
and it's lit up inside like crazy

2626
01:47:24,870 --> 01:47:22,960
and she says oh paul pull over pull over

2627
01:47:27,669 --> 01:47:24,880
i want to see this

2628
01:47:29,510 --> 01:47:27,679
so he pulls off the road and is in

2629
01:47:32,149 --> 01:47:29,520
directly in front of this

2630
01:47:33,830 --> 01:47:32,159
store and there's light pouring out of

2631
01:47:37,350 --> 01:47:33,840
all the windows

2632
01:47:39,750 --> 01:47:37,360
she said there were like all kinds

2633
01:47:41,270 --> 01:47:39,760
of christmas tree lights flashing some

2634
01:47:43,510 --> 01:47:41,280
non-flashing

2635
01:47:44,629 --> 01:47:43,520
various colors wrapped all around the

2636
01:47:47,350 --> 01:47:44,639
structure

2637
01:47:48,790 --> 01:47:47,360
now she remembers it as being a brick

2638
01:47:50,709 --> 01:47:48,800
building

2639
01:47:53,750 --> 01:47:50,719
but her husband remembered it as being

2640
01:47:55,350 --> 01:47:53,760
made out of like rustic barn wood

2641
01:47:56,550 --> 01:47:55,360
but other than that i know that's a

2642
01:47:57,350 --> 01:47:56,560
pretty big that's a pretty big

2643
01:47:59,270 --> 01:47:57,360
discrepancy

2644
01:48:01,109 --> 01:47:59,280
other than that they're in agreement on

2645
01:48:02,950 --> 01:48:01,119
everything

2646
01:48:04,390 --> 01:48:02,960
so she says paul pulled over and put the

2647
01:48:06,790 --> 01:48:04,400
car in park

2648
01:48:08,310 --> 01:48:06,800
and they're both staring at this thing

2649
01:48:11,750 --> 01:48:08,320
and she says they kind of

2650
01:48:13,910 --> 01:48:11,760
kind of uh zoned out

2651
01:48:15,910 --> 01:48:13,920
and you know paul kind of shakes his

2652
01:48:17,189 --> 01:48:15,920
head you know and says we you know this

2653
01:48:19,510 --> 01:48:17,199
is silly

2654
01:48:21,270 --> 01:48:19,520
and she says well you know pull in let's

2655
01:48:22,709 --> 01:48:21,280
let's see what the place is all about it

2656
01:48:23,830 --> 01:48:22,719
looks like they're open

2657
01:48:26,790 --> 01:48:23,840
and he says yeah where do you want to

2658
01:48:28,149 --> 01:48:26,800
pull into there is no parking lot

2659
01:48:29,830 --> 01:48:28,159
and sure enough there was nothing in

2660
01:48:33,270 --> 01:48:29,840
front of the store but sagebrush

2661
01:48:36,149 --> 01:48:33,280
and sand no cars no road

2662
01:48:39,750 --> 01:48:36,159
no paved driveway no nothing just this

2663
01:48:43,109 --> 01:48:41,830
and paul said well this is what this is

2664
01:48:45,350 --> 01:48:43,119
ridiculous you know

2665
01:48:47,510 --> 01:48:45,360
and they pulled back on the highway and

2666
01:48:49,590 --> 01:48:47,520
they uh they proceeded to reno now

2667
01:48:50,950 --> 01:48:49,600
you know this is time that they this is

2668
01:48:51,910 --> 01:48:50,960
valuable time to them

2669
01:48:53,830 --> 01:48:51,920
you know when you're married to a

2670
01:48:55,590 --> 01:48:53,840
physician time getting time with them

2671
01:48:58,310 --> 01:48:55,600
alone to have a conversation is

2672
01:49:00,390 --> 01:48:58,320
once a month affair and they always she

2673
01:49:03,109 --> 01:49:00,400
never slept on this trip she always

2674
01:49:05,830 --> 01:49:03,119
always engaged in conversation you know

2675
01:49:08,070 --> 01:49:05,840
they always had their debriefing

2676
01:49:08,950 --> 01:49:08,080
and she said they as soon as they pulled

2677
01:49:11,270 --> 01:49:08,960
back on the road

2678
01:49:13,189 --> 01:49:11,280
she fell asleep and she never sleeps in

2679
01:49:15,030 --> 01:49:13,199
the car she said she claimed

2680
01:49:16,629 --> 01:49:15,040
and she was sound asleep until her

2681
01:49:18,870 --> 01:49:16,639
husband put his hand on her knee when

2682
01:49:23,270 --> 01:49:18,880
they got to the reno city limits

2683
01:49:24,709 --> 01:49:23,280
and woke her up they got to the hotel

2684
01:49:26,310 --> 01:49:24,719
and she doesn't remember what time it

2685
01:49:29,669 --> 01:49:26,320
was unfortunately because i'd love to

2686
01:49:32,950 --> 01:49:29,679
know if they were an hour late or what

2687
01:49:34,390 --> 01:49:32,960
we're going and i asked her i said you

2688
01:49:35,669 --> 01:49:34,400
think you had missing time and she's

2689
01:49:38,790 --> 01:49:35,679
like i don't know how would i know

2690
01:49:40,149 --> 01:49:38,800
if time's missing how do i know and uh

2691
01:49:41,510 --> 01:49:40,159
i said well if you don't have a clock to

2692
01:49:43,030 --> 01:49:41,520
watch to compare it to i guess you

2693
01:49:45,189 --> 01:49:43,040
wouldn't

2694
01:49:46,709 --> 01:49:45,199
so they went to bed they slept late the

2695
01:49:48,390 --> 01:49:46,719
next morning their friends woke them up

2696
01:49:49,990 --> 01:49:48,400
they felt kind of out of sorts for about

2697
01:49:51,830 --> 01:49:50,000
24 hours

2698
01:49:53,669 --> 01:49:51,840
and on the way back they had their four

2699
01:49:55,589 --> 01:49:53,679
day weekend they had fun after that

2700
01:49:57,270 --> 01:49:55,599
then they're driving back and they they

2701
01:49:58,629 --> 01:49:57,280
hadn't even talked about this stupid

2702
01:50:01,910 --> 01:49:58,639
christmas store

2703
01:50:03,270 --> 01:50:01,920
and she said that her husband brought it

2704
01:50:05,589 --> 01:50:03,280
up and he said you know what let's stop

2705
01:50:07,510 --> 01:50:05,599
by that that stupid store

2706
01:50:09,109 --> 01:50:07,520
and and see there has to be a driveway

2707
01:50:10,310 --> 01:50:09,119
for that place how could they build it

2708
01:50:11,669 --> 01:50:10,320
otherwise

2709
01:50:13,750 --> 01:50:11,679
and she's like yeah that's been on my

2710
01:50:16,870 --> 01:50:13,760
mind too let's do that

2711
01:50:18,629 --> 01:50:16,880
so they get about 12 miles north of reno

2712
01:50:20,709 --> 01:50:18,639
up north of tunipa pardon me

2713
01:50:22,470 --> 01:50:20,719
and they're looking for the place and of

2714
01:50:25,990 --> 01:50:22,480
course you know it's not there right

2715
01:50:27,910 --> 01:50:26,000
it's not there not there yeah

2716
01:50:29,030 --> 01:50:27,920
there is no christmas store it never has

2717
01:50:32,149 --> 01:50:29,040
been a christmas store

2718
01:50:34,709 --> 01:50:32,159
was wrong was rod serling at least

2719
01:50:35,270 --> 01:50:34,719
standing on the side of the road smoking

2720
01:50:39,750 --> 01:50:35,280
a cigarette

2721
01:50:43,030 --> 01:50:39,760
yeah right that is crazy

2722
01:50:45,030 --> 01:50:43,040
that is crazy yeah and uh

2723
01:50:46,390 --> 01:50:45,040
not the first time i've heard a story

2724
01:50:48,709 --> 01:50:46,400
like this number one

2725
01:50:50,470 --> 01:50:48,719
number two i've got my own i've i had

2726
01:50:52,070 --> 01:50:50,480
the same thing happen to me

2727
01:50:53,589 --> 01:50:52,080
and i'm not going to get into those

2728
01:50:56,790 --> 01:50:53,599
details but

2729
01:51:00,229 --> 01:50:56,800
what does she think

2730
01:51:01,910 --> 01:51:00,239
went on you know we ended up having a

2731
01:51:03,109 --> 01:51:01,920
really nice telephone conversation

2732
01:51:05,030 --> 01:51:03,119
because she

2733
01:51:06,149 --> 01:51:05,040
isn't real comfortable with email she'd

2734
01:51:08,550 --> 01:51:06,159
rather speak

2735
01:51:10,149 --> 01:51:08,560
and i i said i would rather we do that

2736
01:51:11,510 --> 01:51:10,159
too so

2737
01:51:13,270 --> 01:51:11,520
because i kind of wanted to assess where

2738
01:51:14,870 --> 01:51:13,280
she's that mentally not that i'm

2739
01:51:16,390 --> 01:51:14,880
you know a doctor or anything but i mean

2740
01:51:18,390 --> 01:51:16,400
you can tell if someone's

2741
01:51:19,830 --> 01:51:18,400
sharp or if they're that they're not and

2742
01:51:21,830 --> 01:51:19,840
kind of gauge their veracity and this

2743
01:51:24,950 --> 01:51:21,840
woman struck me as incredibly

2744
01:51:27,750 --> 01:51:24,960
i'm just a credible person you know not

2745
01:51:32,709 --> 01:51:27,760
somebody that would make this thing up

2746
01:51:37,030 --> 01:51:32,719
and she said you know i'm 76 years old

2747
01:51:42,229 --> 01:51:40,310
nightmares do you have and she said that

2748
01:51:44,070 --> 01:51:42,239
when this they could see the lights

2749
01:51:45,189 --> 01:51:44,080
coming out of this the windows of this

2750
01:51:47,189 --> 01:51:45,199
place

2751
01:51:50,149 --> 01:51:47,199
and they could see movement in back of

2752
01:51:51,430 --> 01:51:50,159
the lights like shadows

2753
01:51:54,870 --> 01:51:51,440
and they assumed that it was like

2754
01:51:57,430 --> 01:51:54,880
workmen and they're doing something sure

2755
01:51:59,189 --> 01:51:57,440
her nightmare doesn't sound scary at all

2756
01:52:02,229 --> 01:51:59,199
but her nightmare involves

2757
01:52:04,390 --> 01:52:02,239
reliving and seeing those shadows

2758
01:52:05,350 --> 01:52:04,400
and she says when she sees those shadows

2759
01:52:08,550 --> 01:52:05,360
in her dreams

2760
01:52:11,510 --> 01:52:08,560
it just she just flips out now you know

2761
01:52:12,390 --> 01:52:11,520
this is what is i mean encryption to

2762
01:52:15,589 --> 01:52:12,400
have

2763
01:52:17,189 --> 01:52:15,599
you know the merry christmas it's lit up

2764
01:52:19,910 --> 01:52:17,199
it's an invitation to pull

2765
01:52:21,750 --> 01:52:19,920
up and here we are but there's no

2766
01:52:23,030 --> 01:52:21,760
parking lot that just doesn't make any

2767
01:52:26,470 --> 01:52:23,040
sense

2768
01:52:28,390 --> 01:52:26,480
um and that that's just strange from the

2769
01:52:30,390 --> 01:52:28,400
word go right

2770
01:52:32,229 --> 01:52:30,400
for them to go up to reno and then come

2771
01:52:33,589 --> 01:52:32,239
back and you know

2772
01:52:35,589 --> 01:52:33,599
that they want to go and see this

2773
01:52:37,990 --> 01:52:35,599
strange story of course you do

2774
01:52:38,790 --> 01:52:38,000
let's try to go and figure this out and

2775
01:52:41,830 --> 01:52:38,800
you know

2776
01:52:42,550 --> 01:52:41,840
terry that they looked at every single

2777
01:52:45,990 --> 01:52:42,560
building

2778
01:52:48,390 --> 01:52:46,000
on the freeway every single one

2779
01:52:49,669 --> 01:52:48,400
every single one they went to the

2780
01:52:51,750 --> 01:52:49,679
stagecoach and had lunch

2781
01:52:52,790 --> 01:52:51,760
right well the guy that ran the

2782
01:52:56,229 --> 01:52:52,800
stagecoach

2783
01:52:57,750 --> 01:52:56,239
at the time was the uh either was the

2784
01:52:59,669 --> 01:52:57,760
president of the chamber of commerce who

2785
01:53:01,669 --> 01:52:59,679
worked for the chamber of commerce

2786
01:53:03,030 --> 01:53:01,679
and they asked him she said i i asked

2787
01:53:04,870 --> 01:53:03,040
him you know

2788
01:53:06,870 --> 01:53:04,880
when did you guys get a christmas store

2789
01:53:07,990 --> 01:53:06,880
about 10 miles north of town

2790
01:53:09,990 --> 01:53:08,000
and he's like christmas store what are

2791
01:53:11,589 --> 01:53:10,000
you talking about you know the florist

2792
01:53:13,030 --> 01:53:11,599
is the latest business we've had here

2793
01:53:14,709 --> 01:53:13,040
and he says there's nothing 10 miles

2794
01:53:15,750 --> 01:53:14,719
north of town and if there was i'd know

2795
01:53:19,030 --> 01:53:15,760
about it

2796
01:53:23,109 --> 01:53:19,040
so did she think it was a time slip

2797
01:53:26,870 --> 01:53:23,119
a parallel world that they drove through

2798
01:53:29,510 --> 01:53:26,880
just for a second what does she think

2799
01:53:30,310 --> 01:53:29,520
i asked her candidly i said look you

2800
01:53:31,589 --> 01:53:30,320
know i'm not

2801
01:53:33,990 --> 01:53:31,599
you know you might have to make an

2802
01:53:35,030 --> 01:53:34,000
assumption here uh i know you may not

2803
01:53:36,550 --> 01:53:35,040
know but

2804
01:53:38,950 --> 01:53:36,560
do you think what you were looking at

2805
01:53:41,750 --> 01:53:38,960
could have been a spaceship

2806
01:53:42,700 --> 01:53:41,760
and she laughs and then she says yeah i

2807
01:53:44,950 --> 01:53:42,710
think it could be

2808
01:53:47,510 --> 01:53:44,960
[Music]

2809
01:53:48,070 --> 01:53:47,520
man that's a great story that that's a

2810
01:53:56,229 --> 01:53:48,080
good one

2811
01:53:58,550 --> 01:53:56,239
okay uh experience number two

2812
01:53:59,669 --> 01:53:58,560
okay i'm gonna jump ahead to uh this guy

2813
01:54:01,750 --> 01:53:59,679
named byron

2814
01:54:03,350 --> 01:54:01,760
because this guy out of uh south africa

2815
01:54:06,709 --> 01:54:03,360
bought my book

2816
01:54:08,470 --> 01:54:06,719
and sent me an email and uh in half

2817
01:54:11,030 --> 01:54:08,480
english half african

2818
01:54:12,950 --> 01:54:11,040
and uh enough i could understand him we

2819
01:54:15,510 --> 01:54:12,960
could understand one another

2820
01:54:16,550 --> 01:54:15,520
his name is byron and uh byron told me

2821
01:54:19,589 --> 01:54:16,560
that he uh

2822
01:54:20,629 --> 01:54:19,599
lives in a uh outside of johannesburg

2823
01:54:23,910 --> 01:54:20,639
some ways

2824
01:54:27,430 --> 01:54:23,920
in a rural community a farming community

2825
01:54:30,070 --> 01:54:27,440
and his dad had a machinery

2826
01:54:31,030 --> 01:54:30,080
and auto repair business that he

2827
01:54:32,870 --> 01:54:31,040
inherited

2828
01:54:34,870 --> 01:54:32,880
so he's a mechanic he fixes anything

2829
01:54:36,390 --> 01:54:34,880
mechanical

2830
01:54:38,550 --> 01:54:36,400
so one day he gets a call from his

2831
01:54:41,109 --> 01:54:38,560
friend duncan who is

2832
01:54:41,750 --> 01:54:41,119
a farmer and uh gets a call and he says

2833
01:54:43,830 --> 01:54:41,760
yeah he says

2834
01:54:45,750 --> 01:54:43,840
you know i just lost a belt my belt

2835
01:54:48,070 --> 01:54:45,760
broke on my tractor

2836
01:54:48,870 --> 01:54:48,080
and byron says hey no sweat i can i can

2837
01:54:51,990 --> 01:54:48,880
fix you up

2838
01:54:54,629 --> 01:54:52,000
so byron quote knew the machine

2839
01:54:56,709 --> 01:54:54,639
his words grabbed the part you know

2840
01:54:57,510 --> 01:54:56,719
hopped in his range rover and drove over

2841
01:54:59,270 --> 01:54:57,520
there

2842
01:55:01,350 --> 01:54:59,280
and found duncan exactly where he said

2843
01:55:03,270 --> 01:55:01,360
he would be at the end of his property

2844
01:55:06,310 --> 01:55:03,280
by the property line that separates

2845
01:55:08,470 --> 01:55:06,320
duncan's from his adjoining neighbor

2846
01:55:10,790 --> 01:55:08,480
and he gets there and he said that that

2847
01:55:13,510 --> 01:55:10,800
his words duncan was in a state

2848
01:55:15,109 --> 01:55:13,520
and uh he tried to calm his friend down

2849
01:55:16,790 --> 01:55:15,119
said look it's a burst it's a busted

2850
01:55:19,030 --> 01:55:16,800
belt no sweat you know have you fixed it

2851
01:55:20,790 --> 01:55:19,040
out here in 10 minutes

2852
01:55:22,629 --> 01:55:20,800
his friend says no no no it's not that

2853
01:55:24,550 --> 01:55:22,639
it's not that he says over here you got

2854
01:55:27,750 --> 01:55:24,560
to see you got to see

2855
01:55:30,070 --> 01:55:27,760
and he drags he drags this guy over

2856
01:55:32,390 --> 01:55:30,080
and evidently for some reason they both

2857
01:55:34,629 --> 01:55:32,400
were wearing sidearms

2858
01:55:36,310 --> 01:55:34,639
and duncan pulled out his sidearm and

2859
01:55:37,669 --> 01:55:36,320
that really scared

2860
01:55:39,830 --> 01:55:37,679
byron because he's like you know what

2861
01:55:41,030 --> 01:55:39,840
what's with the gun right

2862
01:55:42,629 --> 01:55:41,040
we thought you know there must be

2863
01:55:43,189 --> 01:55:42,639
something threatening on the opposite

2864
01:55:45,510 --> 01:55:43,199
side

2865
01:55:47,430 --> 01:55:45,520
so they climb through this hedge row

2866
01:55:50,790 --> 01:55:47,440
little row trees

2867
01:55:54,629 --> 01:55:50,800
and they look and he says there are four

2868
01:55:57,510 --> 01:55:54,639
of these bullet-shaped objects

2869
01:55:59,109 --> 01:55:57,520
about six feet off the ground each one

2870
01:56:02,149 --> 01:55:59,119
is about the size of a full-size

2871
01:56:04,629 --> 01:56:02,159
van and they're bullet-shaped and like

2872
01:56:06,310 --> 01:56:04,639
polished steel or aluminum

2873
01:56:08,790 --> 01:56:06,320
and they're spinning they're spinning

2874
01:56:09,510 --> 01:56:08,800
like a 200 miles an hour or something

2875
01:56:12,470 --> 01:56:09,520
insane

2876
01:56:13,990 --> 01:56:12,480
right and there are four of them in like

2877
01:56:17,109 --> 01:56:14,000
a diamond formation

2878
01:56:18,709 --> 01:56:17,119
over this over this field

2879
01:56:20,950 --> 01:56:18,719
and he looks at his front and he says

2880
01:56:22,390 --> 01:56:20,960
where did he's come from

2881
01:56:24,950 --> 01:56:22,400
and he said i don't know i was messing

2882
01:56:26,629 --> 01:56:24,960
with the belt and i i i heard a whoosh

2883
01:56:30,550 --> 01:56:26,639
and i looked up and i saw them fly over

2884
01:56:34,709 --> 01:56:33,109
and uh you know he had his gun out he

2885
01:56:37,350 --> 01:56:34,719
was scared to death

2886
01:56:39,109 --> 01:56:37,360
and byron's like look you know there's

2887
01:56:41,189 --> 01:56:39,119
no such thing as ufos this is something

2888
01:56:42,950 --> 01:56:41,199
from china this is something from the

2889
01:56:44,470 --> 01:56:42,960
you know from the soviet union or from

2890
01:56:47,589 --> 01:56:44,480
russia rather you know

2891
01:56:50,310 --> 01:56:47,599
this happened in 2014 2014 yeah

2892
01:56:51,510 --> 01:56:50,320
and uh he says i'll prove it to you you

2893
01:56:53,109 --> 01:56:51,520
know he said i'm going to walk over

2894
01:56:56,950 --> 01:56:53,119
there and uh

2895
01:56:58,790 --> 01:56:56,960
ask him what they're doing so

2896
01:57:00,310 --> 01:56:58,800
he you know his his friend says duncan

2897
01:57:01,589 --> 01:57:00,320
says well i got my gun out i'll cover

2898
01:57:02,950 --> 01:57:01,599
you and he's like no put that away

2899
01:57:05,830 --> 01:57:02,960
you'll shoot me in the

2900
01:57:07,270 --> 01:57:05,840
you you'll shoot me put the gun away and

2901
01:57:10,070 --> 01:57:07,280
he walks up to this thing that's

2902
01:57:11,589 --> 01:57:10,080
spinning the one that's closest to him

2903
01:57:14,109 --> 01:57:11,599
and he said that he yelled this must be

2904
01:57:15,430 --> 01:57:14,119
afrikaan uh the word he used was

2905
01:57:17,830 --> 01:57:15,440
h-e-i-t-a

2906
01:57:19,270 --> 01:57:17,840
ayeta must be it must be afrikan

2907
01:57:20,709 --> 01:57:19,280
greeting of some kind

2908
01:57:23,109 --> 01:57:20,719
we never had the opportunity to talk by

2909
01:57:25,189 --> 01:57:23,119
phone just by email

2910
01:57:26,790 --> 01:57:25,199
and he said when he hailed this thing

2911
01:57:29,669 --> 01:57:26,800
that it slowed down

2912
01:57:32,790 --> 01:57:29,679
came to a stop and lowered from six feet

2913
01:57:35,830 --> 01:57:32,800
down to about two feet off the ground

2914
01:57:38,550 --> 01:57:35,840
and a arch

2915
01:57:39,510 --> 01:57:38,560
shaped opening as soon as it stopped

2916
01:57:42,470 --> 01:57:39,520
this opening

2917
01:57:44,470 --> 01:57:42,480
like a like a camera lens or a iris of a

2918
01:57:46,390 --> 01:57:44,480
pupil just expanded this

2919
01:57:48,470 --> 01:57:46,400
heart-shaped doorway opened and there

2920
01:57:51,750 --> 01:57:48,480
was a man

2921
01:57:54,870 --> 01:57:51,760
that he said his words now he said he

2922
01:57:57,030 --> 01:57:54,880
appeared to be of the [\h__\h] race

2923
01:57:59,830 --> 01:57:57,040
and he wore a silver suit including

2924
01:58:02,870 --> 01:57:59,840
gloves and footwear

2925
01:58:04,709 --> 01:58:02,880
and he said he had no hair uh and barely

2926
01:58:07,910 --> 01:58:04,719
just a little bit of ears

2927
01:58:11,189 --> 01:58:07,920
and very just a bump for a nose

2928
01:58:11,990 --> 01:58:11,199
and uh interesting he said that he spoke

2929
01:58:14,950 --> 01:58:12,000
to me

2930
01:58:16,709 --> 01:58:14,960
via thought transference i mean i've

2931
01:58:18,310 --> 01:58:16,719
heard telepathy but thought transference

2932
01:58:21,510 --> 01:58:18,320
i guess

2933
01:58:25,030 --> 01:58:21,520
you know i never heard that before uh

2934
01:58:27,830 --> 01:58:25,040
but the guy said that we're sorry

2935
01:58:29,270 --> 01:58:27,840
the space guys said we're sorry for the

2936
01:58:30,790 --> 01:58:29,280
intrusion

2937
01:58:33,430 --> 01:58:30,800
we're making some repairs and we'll be

2938
01:58:35,910 --> 01:58:33,440
on our way soon

2939
01:58:37,510 --> 01:58:35,920
and and i love this line byron says well

2940
01:58:40,870 --> 01:58:37,520
look i'm pretty good with machinery you

2941
01:58:46,709 --> 01:58:43,910
and uh they said we got this

2942
01:58:47,350 --> 01:58:46,719
yeah yeah yeah we got we got it so you

2943
01:58:50,950 --> 01:58:47,360
know

2944
01:58:51,669 --> 01:58:50,960
telepathically to this guy seemed

2945
01:58:54,550 --> 01:58:51,679
natural

2946
01:58:54,870 --> 01:58:54,560
it didn't seem weird and he asked the

2947
01:58:56,629 --> 01:58:54,880
guy

2948
01:58:59,830 --> 01:58:56,639
where they come from and he said they

2949
01:59:03,910 --> 01:58:59,840
come from a star near orion

2950
01:59:07,669 --> 01:59:03,920
wow so so i'm picturing

2951
01:59:10,390 --> 01:59:07,679
uh before we get to the break um

2952
01:59:11,030 --> 01:59:10,400
the size of a van i like that a silver

2953
01:59:12,950 --> 01:59:11,040
but

2954
01:59:15,189 --> 01:59:12,960
like the end of a bullet right so it's

2955
01:59:16,550 --> 01:59:15,199
domed at the top and flat at the bottom

2956
01:59:20,149 --> 01:59:16,560
and they're upright

2957
01:59:24,229 --> 01:59:20,159
and spin correct right correct wow

2958
01:59:24,870 --> 01:59:24,239
wow that's uh they left crop circle like

2959
01:59:26,870 --> 01:59:24,880
things

2960
01:59:28,070 --> 01:59:26,880
in the weeds this was you know it wasn't

2961
01:59:31,350 --> 01:59:28,080
planted it was just

2962
01:59:33,350 --> 01:59:31,360
a you know an open field with uh grass

2963
01:59:36,390 --> 01:59:33,360
about knee high he said

2964
01:59:37,910 --> 01:59:36,400
and uh all of that swirled into a uh

2965
01:59:40,310 --> 01:59:37,920
like a cropped little miniature crop

2966
01:59:42,870 --> 01:59:40,320
circles not a spot where

2967
01:59:43,430 --> 01:59:42,880
where he went up and talked to the space

2968
01:59:45,270 --> 01:59:43,440
guy

2969
01:59:47,350 --> 01:59:45,280
that that one descended the two feet

2970
01:59:50,709 --> 01:59:47,360
above the ground right

2971
01:59:52,550 --> 01:59:50,719
that spot according to the neighbor

2972
01:59:55,350 --> 01:59:52,560
nothing would ever grow there for for

2973
01:59:59,430 --> 01:59:55,360
two for two seasons

2974
02:00:02,629 --> 01:59:59,440
so the um uh

2975
02:00:06,550 --> 02:00:02,639
the the idea

2976
02:00:10,550 --> 02:00:06,560
of this where they're just doing repairs

2977
02:00:13,830 --> 02:00:10,560
so wha how long were they there did they

2978
02:00:17,750 --> 02:00:13,840
did they see the repairs getting done

2979
02:00:19,189 --> 02:00:17,760
and they just took off

2980
02:00:21,030 --> 02:00:19,199
yeah he said that they were there they

2981
02:00:23,990 --> 02:00:21,040
watched them for about 10 minutes

2982
02:00:24,950 --> 02:00:24,000
wow oh i forgot to add that this guy the

2983
02:00:27,910 --> 02:00:24,960
the space guy

2984
02:00:30,390 --> 02:00:27,920
said we're here to observe we're not

2985
02:00:33,430 --> 02:00:30,400
here to harm or to help

2986
02:00:35,830 --> 02:00:33,440
and i thought that was very significant

2987
02:00:37,589 --> 02:00:35,840
uh and he asked if he could come in to

2988
02:00:38,870 --> 02:00:37,599
see he wanted to see the inside of the

2989
02:00:40,390 --> 02:00:38,880
thing

2990
02:00:42,629 --> 02:00:40,400
and the space guy held up his hand and

2991
02:00:43,109 --> 02:00:42,639
said you know your friend is not doing

2992
02:00:45,189 --> 02:00:43,119
well

2993
02:00:46,709 --> 02:00:45,199
you know i'm afraid if he sees you come

2994
02:00:48,149 --> 02:00:46,719
in here he'll fear that we've captured

2995
02:00:49,830 --> 02:00:48,159
you or something you should you should

2996
02:00:51,669 --> 02:00:49,840
go back and take care of your friend

2997
02:00:53,189 --> 02:00:51,679
so he never got it he didn't get a

2998
02:00:55,189 --> 02:00:53,199
look-see he didn't get to pee

2999
02:00:56,629 --> 02:00:55,199
he didn't get a look-see nope he held up

3000
02:00:59,030 --> 02:00:56,639
his hand and the uh

3001
02:01:00,870 --> 02:00:59,040
space guy held up his hand and uh the

3002
02:01:01,990 --> 02:01:00,880
door closed the thing started spinning

3003
02:01:05,189 --> 02:01:02,000
again

3004
02:01:08,310 --> 02:01:05,199
and um a short while later

3005
02:01:10,310 --> 02:01:08,320
all four of these things lifted up

3006
02:01:11,350 --> 02:01:10,320
i forget how many colli he told me in

3007
02:01:13,270 --> 02:01:11,360
kilometers i don't know

3008
02:01:14,550 --> 02:01:13,280
what do i know about kilometers they've

3009
02:01:16,470 --> 02:01:14,560
lifted so many uh

3010
02:01:18,149 --> 02:01:16,480
meters off the ground not kilometers

3011
02:01:20,629 --> 02:01:18,159
meters off the ground

3012
02:01:22,070 --> 02:01:20,639
and then took off in formation like zero

3013
02:01:24,149 --> 02:01:22,080
to 500 miles an hour

3014
02:01:25,750 --> 02:01:24,159
all four of them and diamond formation

3015
02:01:28,629 --> 02:01:25,760
just whoosh

3016
02:01:29,430 --> 02:01:28,639
uh you know the tracking i i need to

3017
02:01:32,550 --> 02:01:29,440
write a book

3018
02:01:33,109 --> 02:01:32,560
and put my email in the back i want some

3019
02:01:36,149 --> 02:01:33,119
of this

3020
02:01:37,430 --> 02:01:36,159
action terry this is fade to black our

3021
02:01:40,550 --> 02:01:37,440
guest tonight terry

3022
02:01:42,750 --> 02:01:40,560
lovelace the new book is the reckoning

3023
02:01:44,510 --> 02:01:42,760
and we've got everything up at

3024
02:01:45,990 --> 02:01:44,520
jimmychurchradio.com you go to

3025
02:01:48,390 --> 02:01:46,000
terrylovelace.com

3026
02:01:49,270 --> 02:01:48,400
and all of your info is there more with

3027
02:01:50,870 --> 02:01:49,280
terry

3028
02:01:52,260 --> 02:01:50,880
when we come back after this short break

3029
02:01:54,870 --> 02:01:52,270
stay with us

3030
02:01:56,550 --> 02:01:54,880
[Music]

3031
02:02:02,470 --> 02:01:56,560
hi everybody this is rob for the mental

3032
02:02:05,990 --> 02:02:04,950
this is kgra digital broadcasting

3033
02:02:09,669 --> 02:02:06,000
station

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jimmy church our guest tonight terry

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lovelace and

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02:05:47,270 --> 02:05:44,159
terry uh

3113
02:05:49,270 --> 02:05:47,280
i i am i'm i'm torn here i'm torn

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i don't know if i want some more

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campfire terry lovely stories because i

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02:05:56,550 --> 02:05:53,199
could sit there

3117
02:05:58,149 --> 02:05:56,560
and listen to this all night or if i

3118
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change the direction

3119
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in the conversation we've only got uh

3120
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one

3121
02:06:06,950 --> 02:06:04,560
segment left so

3122
02:06:07,990 --> 02:06:06,960
okay this is what we're gonna change

3123
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directions

3124
02:06:11,589 --> 02:06:09,679
but i want you to put in the back of

3125
02:06:14,470 --> 02:06:11,599
your mind i've got one more

3126
02:06:15,270 --> 02:06:14,480
jimmy that i want to share with you it's

3127
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there

3128
02:06:19,109 --> 02:06:18,400
come back everybody should see terry's

3129
02:06:22,629 --> 02:06:19,119
face

3130
02:06:26,149 --> 02:06:22,639
i got it man i i got the one

3131
02:06:30,390 --> 02:06:26,159
um is i want to talk about disclosure

3132
02:06:30,950 --> 02:06:30,400
um because it's a word that is commonly

3133
02:06:34,149 --> 02:06:30,960
used

3134
02:06:38,310 --> 02:06:34,159
today certainly within the ufo community

3135
02:06:40,229 --> 02:06:38,320
um but before you got here did you even

3136
02:06:43,189 --> 02:06:40,239
hear that word before is it something

3137
02:06:45,910 --> 02:06:43,199
that you ever considered

3138
02:06:47,990 --> 02:06:45,920
i never considered that uh before i got

3139
02:06:48,790 --> 02:06:48,000
involved in the ufo community and ufo

3140
02:06:50,790 --> 02:06:48,800
culture i

3141
02:06:52,470 --> 02:06:50,800
i never thought the thought never

3142
02:06:54,310 --> 02:06:52,480
crossed my mind that the united states

3143
02:06:55,990 --> 02:06:54,320
government would be

3144
02:06:58,390 --> 02:06:56,000
i mean i knew the united states

3145
02:07:00,470 --> 02:06:58,400
government was involved because of my

3146
02:07:01,750 --> 02:07:00,480
experience in 1977

3147
02:07:03,430 --> 02:07:01,760
but the thought that they would come out

3148
02:07:04,950 --> 02:07:03,440
and make a public admission that these

3149
02:07:07,030 --> 02:07:04,960
things are real

3150
02:07:07,990 --> 02:07:07,040
i just i just never did not see that

3151
02:07:09,430 --> 02:07:08,000
happening

3152
02:07:11,109 --> 02:07:09,440
but you know i think times have changed

3153
02:07:12,950 --> 02:07:11,119
i think if i had a published incident at

3154
02:07:14,149 --> 02:07:12,960
delhi's then three years earlier it

3155
02:07:18,310 --> 02:07:14,159
wouldn't been anywhere

3156
02:07:21,750 --> 02:07:18,320
nearly as well received yeah that year

3157
02:07:25,750 --> 02:07:21,760
you're probably right there yeah and and

3158
02:07:27,589 --> 02:07:25,760
were are you surprised to see things

3159
02:07:29,030 --> 02:07:27,599
moving in the direction that they are

3160
02:07:32,069 --> 02:07:29,040
right now as quickly

3161
02:07:34,550 --> 02:07:32,079
as it is and i don't i'm not sure

3162
02:07:35,350 --> 02:07:34,560
if that i'm just emotionally invested in

3163
02:07:39,030 --> 02:07:35,360
this

3164
02:07:39,350 --> 02:07:39,040
and and i see things happening or maybe

3165
02:07:43,430 --> 02:07:39,360
it's

3166
02:07:46,310 --> 02:07:43,440
not i'm not so sure but are you

3167
02:07:49,030 --> 02:07:46,320
surprised to see this moving along as

3168
02:07:53,350 --> 02:07:49,040
quickly as it appears to be

3169
02:07:56,390 --> 02:07:53,360
i am and i'm more than surprised i'm

3170
02:07:58,229 --> 02:07:56,400
i'm i'm really taken aback that things

3171
02:07:59,910 --> 02:07:58,239
have taken the turn that they've taken

3172
02:08:01,910 --> 02:07:59,920
there's a couple of things that make it

3173
02:08:04,470 --> 02:08:01,920
uh make disclosures seem

3174
02:08:05,350 --> 02:08:04,480
real and seem eminent to me and that is

3175
02:08:12,550 --> 02:08:05,360
the

3176
02:08:14,629 --> 02:08:12,560
about amu amua and how he thought that

3177
02:08:16,149 --> 02:08:14,639
it was not from its trajectory he

3178
02:08:18,470 --> 02:08:16,159
thought that it was not

3179
02:08:19,830 --> 02:08:18,480
a naturally occurring object floating

3180
02:08:22,870 --> 02:08:19,840
from outer space

3181
02:08:25,669 --> 02:08:22,880
into you know our little

3182
02:08:26,550 --> 02:08:25,679
our little solar system uh and the

3183
02:08:29,910 --> 02:08:26,560
acceleration

3184
02:08:32,790 --> 02:08:29,920
that it had uh was not natural

3185
02:08:33,510 --> 02:08:32,800
uh and he believes uh and says in his

3186
02:08:37,189 --> 02:08:33,520
new book

3187
02:08:39,669 --> 02:08:37,199
he believes that it is um

3188
02:08:40,709 --> 02:08:39,679
an intelligent vehicle from another

3189
02:08:42,550 --> 02:08:40,719
solar system

3190
02:08:44,870 --> 02:08:42,560
yeah i had him on i had him on the show

3191
02:08:47,430 --> 02:08:44,880
i had him on the show last week

3192
02:08:48,790 --> 02:08:47,440
and uh and i've read the book now a few

3193
02:08:51,910 --> 02:08:48,800
times

3194
02:08:54,950 --> 02:08:51,920
it's uh it's for me

3195
02:08:58,950 --> 02:08:54,960
the timing is is both

3196
02:08:59,350 --> 02:08:58,960
exciting and suspect what i mean by that

3197
02:09:02,870 --> 02:08:59,360
is

3198
02:09:06,069 --> 02:09:02,880
time

3199
02:09:06,870 --> 02:09:06,079
and for somebody like avi uh to write

3200
02:09:09,669 --> 02:09:06,880
this book

3201
02:09:12,310 --> 02:09:09,679
and to face the criticism in the

3202
02:09:15,910 --> 02:09:12,320
professional community around him

3203
02:09:19,030 --> 02:09:15,920
uh i i find it strange it's almost

3204
02:09:19,510 --> 02:09:19,040
part of a package that the public is

3205
02:09:22,149 --> 02:09:19,520
being

3206
02:09:23,990 --> 02:09:22,159
handed right now well you know that's a

3207
02:09:25,750 --> 02:09:24,000
very good point and and i can i can

3208
02:09:29,350 --> 02:09:25,760
bolster that point too

3209
02:09:30,709 --> 02:09:29,360
because on december 8th of 2020 there

3210
02:09:33,750 --> 02:09:30,719
was a

3211
02:09:36,790 --> 02:09:33,760
news story uh from the um

3212
02:09:40,550 --> 02:09:36,800
jerusalem post that said that uh

3213
02:09:43,510 --> 02:09:40,560
dr hyema shed who's a well-respected

3214
02:09:44,229 --> 02:09:43,520
uh scientist of his own right he ran

3215
02:09:46,790 --> 02:09:44,239
israel's

3216
02:09:48,229 --> 02:09:46,800
space protection program for 30 years he

3217
02:09:50,069 --> 02:09:48,239
was a general

3218
02:09:52,550 --> 02:09:50,079
you know decorated multiple times who

3219
02:09:54,310 --> 02:09:52,560
then turned to university professor

3220
02:09:55,589 --> 02:09:54,320
and i have friends in tel aviv and they

3221
02:09:57,589 --> 02:09:55,599
tell me that this guy is like

3222
02:09:58,870 --> 02:09:57,599
he's like the buzz aldrin of israel you

3223
02:10:01,589 --> 02:09:58,880
know he's just super

3224
02:10:02,470 --> 02:10:01,599
well respected guy not a flake not not a

3225
02:10:05,910 --> 02:10:02,480
kook i'm just

3226
02:10:09,189 --> 02:10:05,920
a well-grounded uh

3227
02:10:11,510 --> 02:10:09,199
guy and he came out and he said

3228
02:10:13,510 --> 02:10:11,520
that the united states and israel have

3229
02:10:16,870 --> 02:10:13,520
been in contact

3230
02:10:17,830 --> 02:10:16,880
and have a treaty with the galactic

3231
02:10:19,910 --> 02:10:17,840
federation

3232
02:10:21,750 --> 02:10:19,920
which sounds kind of star trek-y to me

3233
02:10:23,189 --> 02:10:21,760
but you know i don't know but that

3234
02:10:23,910 --> 02:10:23,199
that's what he described it as a

3235
02:10:27,430 --> 02:10:23,920
galactic

3236
02:10:29,990 --> 02:10:27,440
federation and he said that uh

3237
02:10:30,950 --> 02:10:30,000
the garlactic federation stopped

3238
02:10:33,270 --> 02:10:30,960
disclosure

3239
02:10:35,189 --> 02:10:33,280
that president trump had planned to make

3240
02:10:38,790 --> 02:10:35,199
a disclosure

3241
02:10:40,470 --> 02:10:38,800
and that e.t dissuaded him from doing

3242
02:10:44,870 --> 02:10:40,480
that

3243
02:10:45,669 --> 02:10:44,880
article uh and it was carried by the

3244
02:10:47,270 --> 02:10:45,679
post by the

3245
02:10:49,350 --> 02:10:47,280
by the press here in this country too

3246
02:10:51,189 --> 02:10:49,360
but the original story in the jerusalem

3247
02:10:54,390 --> 02:10:51,199
press said that uh

3248
02:10:56,229 --> 02:10:54,400
um the people couldn't

3249
02:10:57,589 --> 02:10:56,239
couldn't cope that they couldn't cope

3250
02:10:59,830 --> 02:10:57,599
with the truth

3251
02:11:01,350 --> 02:10:59,840
uh and they can't deal with this issue

3252
02:11:04,629 --> 02:11:01,360
and there's five words in here

3253
02:11:05,830 --> 02:11:04,639
that this stymie me until until the

3254
02:11:10,069 --> 02:11:05,840
public can understand

3255
02:11:11,830 --> 02:11:10,079
the nature of space and spaceships

3256
02:11:13,589 --> 02:11:11,840
now that that you know you talk about

3257
02:11:15,910 --> 02:11:13,599
suspect i i

3258
02:11:17,350 --> 02:11:15,920
hear this guy is you know decorated and

3259
02:11:19,750 --> 02:11:17,360
uh you know

3260
02:11:21,589 --> 02:11:19,760
supposedly a really upright guy it just

3261
02:11:23,109 --> 02:11:21,599
doesn't ring right to me

3262
02:11:25,030 --> 02:11:23,119
you know we have to understand the

3263
02:11:26,390 --> 02:11:25,040
nature of space and spaceships before

3264
02:11:27,669 --> 02:11:26,400
there can be disclosure

3265
02:11:29,750 --> 02:11:27,679
what do they think is going to be riots

3266
02:11:31,109 --> 02:11:29,760
in tokyo and london or something if they

3267
02:11:32,709 --> 02:11:31,119
if they uh

3268
02:11:34,790 --> 02:11:32,719
i don't think so i think i think people

3269
02:11:36,310 --> 02:11:34,800
are ready for this i think people 60

3270
02:11:39,030 --> 02:11:36,320
of the people believe in it and the

3271
02:11:42,229 --> 02:11:39,040
other 40 percent uh

3272
02:11:43,830 --> 02:11:42,239
at best doubt it so you know i

3273
02:11:45,830 --> 02:11:43,840
i don't know you're you're right it's a

3274
02:11:48,069 --> 02:11:45,840
suspect time uh and then there's the

3275
02:11:50,629 --> 02:11:48,079
whole thing like jim lowe explained

3276
02:11:52,310 --> 02:11:50,639
where they have the um and of course we

3277
02:11:54,950 --> 02:11:52,320
we can't see

3278
02:11:55,589 --> 02:11:54,960
what the classified portion of the bill

3279
02:11:59,750 --> 02:11:55,599
uh

3280
02:12:03,109 --> 02:11:59,760
something's going on there

3281
02:12:03,750 --> 02:12:03,119
yeah something yeah uh marco rubio's

3282
02:12:07,030 --> 02:12:03,760
statements

3283
02:12:10,069 --> 02:12:07,040
uh that he made uh yesterday that's a

3284
02:12:11,910 --> 02:12:10,079
pretty crazy video

3285
02:12:14,470 --> 02:12:11,920
uh for him it looks like he's in an

3286
02:12:17,830 --> 02:12:14,480
airport you know and he's been stopped

3287
02:12:21,189 --> 02:12:17,840
uh by tmz and

3288
02:12:22,790 --> 02:12:21,199
the tmz guy's like hey ufos aliens man

3289
02:12:24,149 --> 02:12:22,800
are they are they coming what's up with

3290
02:12:28,069 --> 02:12:24,159
this report

3291
02:12:31,589 --> 02:12:28,079
and he goes straight at marco and

3292
02:12:32,870 --> 02:12:31,599
marco's responses were now although he

3293
02:12:35,910 --> 02:12:32,880
avoided

3294
02:12:37,589 --> 02:12:35,920
uh tmz kept pushing the ufo alien you

3295
02:12:38,950 --> 02:12:37,599
know are they bad are they good are they

3296
02:12:42,229 --> 02:12:38,960
arriving what's going

3297
02:12:42,870 --> 02:12:42,239
and and marco said a few times i don't

3298
02:12:45,189 --> 02:12:42,880
want to go

3299
02:12:47,030 --> 02:12:45,199
there i'm not going to go there but

3300
02:12:49,589 --> 02:12:47,040
we've got stuff that we don't know what

3301
02:12:52,950 --> 02:12:49,599
is going on and we need to find out

3302
02:12:53,669 --> 02:12:52,960
what is in our airspace don't know what

3303
02:12:56,310 --> 02:12:53,679
it is

3304
02:12:57,109 --> 02:12:56,320
you know i'm not going aliens but we

3305
02:13:00,390 --> 02:12:57,119
don't know

3306
02:13:02,870 --> 02:13:00,400
what it is and now that coupled with

3307
02:13:03,430 --> 02:13:02,880
you know everything else that is going

3308
02:13:05,589 --> 02:13:03,440
on

3309
02:13:08,229 --> 02:13:05,599
all at the same time it's obvi it's

3310
02:13:09,830 --> 02:13:08,239
science it's astrophysics it's physics

3311
02:13:13,830 --> 02:13:09,840
it's exoplanets

3312
02:13:16,709 --> 02:13:13,840
fast radio bursts uh uh perseverance on

3313
02:13:19,030 --> 02:13:16,719
mars looking for alien life

3314
02:13:19,830 --> 02:13:19,040
all of this stuff is happening at the

3315
02:13:32,950 --> 02:13:19,840
same time

3316
02:13:36,310 --> 02:13:34,390
i never thought i'd live long enough to

3317
02:13:36,950 --> 02:13:36,320
see disclosure but i think we're going

3318
02:13:38,550 --> 02:13:36,960
to see

3319
02:13:40,870 --> 02:13:38,560
something i don't know if it'll be

3320
02:13:42,870 --> 02:13:40,880
disclosure the disclosure might be

3321
02:13:44,790 --> 02:13:42,880
a grassroots movement you know people

3322
02:13:47,589 --> 02:13:44,800
like me and you and lucinda and

3323
02:13:49,109 --> 02:13:47,599
and james lowe and yvonne smith and all

3324
02:13:51,750 --> 02:13:49,119
the people that are in my book and

3325
02:13:52,310 --> 02:13:51,760
uh all of us together collectively might

3326
02:13:56,390 --> 02:13:52,320
be

3327
02:13:58,069 --> 02:13:56,400
well and that's an interesting point

3328
02:14:00,550 --> 02:13:58,079
what is your definition what's your

3329
02:14:04,149 --> 02:14:00,560
definition of disclosure

3330
02:14:05,990 --> 02:14:04,159
disclosure i i want to see

3331
02:14:07,669 --> 02:14:06,000
i want to see the government involved

3332
02:14:09,030 --> 02:14:07,679
right i really want to see our

3333
02:14:12,950 --> 02:14:09,040
government say

3334
02:14:16,229 --> 02:14:12,960
yes et's here he's real

3335
02:14:16,709 --> 02:14:16,239
and uh you know and if that's all we

3336
02:14:22,709 --> 02:14:16,719
know

3337
02:14:23,669 --> 02:14:22,719
a in that bill there's a 180 day waiting

3338
02:14:26,390 --> 02:14:23,679
period

3339
02:14:27,589 --> 02:14:26,400
between where they have so long to

3340
02:14:29,669 --> 02:14:27,599
disclose i think that

3341
02:14:31,109 --> 02:14:29,679
the time runs out in june or something

3342
02:14:33,189 --> 02:14:31,119
it's going to be different in june it's

3343
02:14:34,390 --> 02:14:33,199
different from today

3344
02:14:36,310 --> 02:14:34,400
i mean i know we had to go through a

3345
02:14:39,109 --> 02:14:36,320
change of administration and a shuffling

3346
02:14:41,910 --> 02:14:39,119
of positions and all but

3347
02:14:42,709 --> 02:14:41,920
still the work of government goes on uh

3348
02:14:45,270 --> 02:14:42,719
so that that

3349
02:14:46,069 --> 02:14:45,280
that delay to me is suspect that 180 day

3350
02:14:48,629 --> 02:14:46,079
delay

3351
02:14:49,750 --> 02:14:48,639
um well there's been a couple of uh

3352
02:14:53,669 --> 02:14:49,760
comments

3353
02:14:56,709 --> 02:14:53,679
uh and certainly we had

3354
02:14:57,750 --> 02:14:56,719
a defense intelligence agency guy that

3355
02:15:01,109 --> 02:14:57,760
was just on

3356
02:15:02,870 --> 02:15:01,119
fox and there are these

3357
02:15:04,310 --> 02:15:02,880
strange comments that are starting to

3358
02:15:08,390 --> 02:15:04,320
surface where i

3359
02:15:10,950 --> 02:15:08,400
think that some have seen the report

3360
02:15:12,310 --> 02:15:10,960
they've seen some preliminary stuff but

3361
02:15:13,750 --> 02:15:12,320
because they're talking about the

3362
02:15:15,350 --> 02:15:13,760
contents of this now

3363
02:15:17,669 --> 02:15:15,360
i don't know what it's going to be i'm

3364
02:15:20,390 --> 02:15:17,679
hoping that there's something tangible

3365
02:15:21,510 --> 02:15:20,400
right that we're not you know what i

3366
02:15:24,709 --> 02:15:21,520
mean kicking the can

3367
02:15:25,669 --> 02:15:24,719
down the road you know once again uh

3368
02:15:28,950 --> 02:15:25,679
that hopefully

3369
02:15:30,870 --> 02:15:28,960
we're gonna get to some type of uh uh

3370
02:15:32,709 --> 02:15:30,880
realization because your point is one of

3371
02:15:36,310 --> 02:15:32,719
the most valid ones

3372
02:15:38,629 --> 02:15:36,320
um every time that i ask somebody

3373
02:15:40,550 --> 02:15:38,639
about their definition of disclosure

3374
02:15:43,430 --> 02:15:40,560
terry they will

3375
02:15:44,950 --> 02:15:43,440
i don't need disclosure a disclosure's

3376
02:15:46,870 --> 02:15:44,960
already here

3377
02:15:47,990 --> 02:15:46,880
and you know i've seen you know what you

3378
02:15:49,990 --> 02:15:48,000
know what that

3379
02:15:51,589 --> 02:15:50,000
argument that statement doesn't hold

3380
02:15:53,990 --> 02:15:51,599
water

3381
02:15:55,750 --> 02:15:54,000
the rest of the community that's not

3382
02:15:59,109 --> 02:15:55,760
disclosure to them

3383
02:16:02,550 --> 02:15:59,119
coming out

3384
02:16:05,350 --> 02:16:02,560
saying hey all right it's real

3385
02:16:07,030 --> 02:16:05,360
we've made contact that that's all that

3386
02:16:10,470 --> 02:16:07,040
they want to hear they just want

3387
02:16:12,950 --> 02:16:10,480
that so they can back up and go okay

3388
02:16:14,709 --> 02:16:12,960
finally you know and that that's what

3389
02:16:17,510 --> 02:16:14,719
everybody else is

3390
02:16:18,149 --> 02:16:17,520
i is acceptable to them just as you've

3391
02:16:21,910 --> 02:16:18,159
stated

3392
02:16:25,990 --> 02:16:21,920
right there you know that december 17th

3393
02:16:27,510 --> 02:16:26,000
uh 2017 2017

3394
02:16:29,430 --> 02:16:27,520
uh you know what i'm talking about the

3395
02:16:31,350 --> 02:16:29,440
new york times article by uh

3396
02:16:32,790 --> 02:16:31,360
leslie kane and uh i think jim

3397
02:16:34,549 --> 02:16:32,800
blumenthal yeah ralph

3398
02:16:36,150 --> 02:16:34,559
yeah ralph blumenthal well thank you

3399
02:16:38,230 --> 02:16:36,160
ralph blumenthal i mean

3400
02:16:39,589 --> 02:16:38,240
when they when they had the ttsa stuff

3401
02:16:42,709 --> 02:16:39,599
and the disclosure

3402
02:16:44,389 --> 02:16:42,719
from lou elizondo and you know that was

3403
02:16:45,030 --> 02:16:44,399
a pretty significant event that just

3404
02:16:48,309 --> 02:16:45,040
kind of went

3405
02:16:48,709 --> 02:16:48,319
unnoticed by everybody but if you read

3406
02:16:57,509 --> 02:16:48,719
that

3407
02:16:58,870 --> 02:16:57,519
about as close as you can get

3408
02:17:01,030 --> 02:16:58,880
you know and then there's the gimbal

3409
02:17:04,070 --> 02:17:01,040
event i had a guy write to me

3410
02:17:05,270 --> 02:17:04,080
who read my book and he he was an

3411
02:17:07,990 --> 02:17:05,280
intelligence officer

3412
02:17:09,429 --> 02:17:08,000
aboard the uss roosevelt during the

3413
02:17:12,629 --> 02:17:09,439
gimbal event

3414
02:17:14,230 --> 02:17:12,639
he was with us at dinner two weeks ago

3415
02:17:16,549 --> 02:17:14,240
you talking about math right that's

3416
02:17:19,110 --> 02:17:16,559
right i am i'm talking about matt

3417
02:17:20,469 --> 02:17:19,120
he was on the show with this on monday

3418
02:17:21,910 --> 02:17:20,479
yes i was going to say he was just on

3419
02:17:25,270 --> 02:17:21,920
your show what am i thinking yes

3420
02:17:27,589 --> 02:17:25,280
of course no he's

3421
02:17:29,110 --> 02:17:27,599
but just going back to the story he told

3422
02:17:32,070 --> 02:17:29,120
me you know

3423
02:17:33,509 --> 02:17:32,080
uh he said i can't tell you i can't you

3424
02:17:37,270 --> 02:17:33,519
know i can't tell you

3425
02:17:38,950 --> 02:17:37,280
the dni won't let me tell you but

3426
02:17:40,629 --> 02:17:38,960
you know i respect him he's got a lot of

3427
02:17:43,589 --> 02:17:40,639
integrity

3428
02:17:44,709 --> 02:17:43,599
it was a heck of a show and it got very

3429
02:17:48,389 --> 02:17:44,719
emotional

3430
02:17:51,830 --> 02:17:48,399
um three or four times in the show

3431
02:17:54,230 --> 02:17:51,840
and you know we have a we have a strange

3432
02:17:56,629 --> 02:17:54,240
conundrum with matt

3433
02:17:57,349 --> 02:17:56,639
and and this is what it is you have

3434
02:18:00,709 --> 02:17:57,359
somebody that

3435
02:18:03,270 --> 02:18:00,719
has spent 16 years in the navy

3436
02:18:05,589 --> 02:18:03,280
uh intelligence officer top secret

3437
02:18:08,790 --> 02:18:05,599
clearance he's a cryptographer

3438
02:18:11,669 --> 02:18:08,800
16 years right he's a man's man

3439
02:18:12,389 --> 02:18:11,679
right strong it's 16 years man that's

3440
02:18:19,190 --> 02:18:12,399
that's

3441
02:18:20,870 --> 02:18:19,200
and here's the conundrum now somebody

3442
02:18:24,150 --> 02:18:20,880
that is used to dealing with his

3443
02:18:25,830 --> 02:18:24,160
emotions and in the military as you know

3444
02:18:27,190 --> 02:18:25,840
you don't get emotional you're not

3445
02:18:32,469 --> 02:18:27,200
allowed to

3446
02:18:33,990 --> 02:18:32,479
place for it no there's no place for it

3447
02:18:37,030 --> 02:18:34,000
and here he is today

3448
02:18:40,790 --> 02:18:37,040
dealing with this stuff emotionally

3449
02:18:42,230 --> 02:18:40,800
where you know and he's brought to tears

3450
02:18:43,910 --> 02:18:42,240
and it's like you know what i mean it's

3451
02:18:47,190 --> 02:18:43,920
like a conundrum you have

3452
02:18:50,150 --> 02:18:47,200
a career uh uh naval

3453
02:18:51,270 --> 02:18:50,160
officer you have that situation where

3454
02:18:55,110 --> 02:18:51,280
today

3455
02:18:57,750 --> 02:18:55,120
he's not able to control

3456
02:18:58,950 --> 02:18:57,760
you know his his emotional thoughts

3457
02:19:00,870 --> 02:18:58,960
about this

3458
02:19:02,070 --> 02:19:00,880
it's very strange to see somebody go

3459
02:19:04,389 --> 02:19:02,080
through that

3460
02:19:05,990 --> 02:19:04,399
it's it's you know i i've been there yes

3461
02:19:08,870 --> 02:19:06,000
you know i've been there

3462
02:19:11,669 --> 02:19:08,880
i mean when you have an event if it's uh

3463
02:19:13,190 --> 02:19:11,679
on the level of intimacy as mine was

3464
02:19:14,709 --> 02:19:13,200
you're a changed person you're changed

3465
02:19:17,429 --> 02:19:14,719
forever i i left that

3466
02:19:18,950 --> 02:19:17,439
that state park a different person that

3467
02:19:19,270 --> 02:19:18,960
i was when i arrived when i arrived that

3468
02:19:21,750 --> 02:19:19,280
was

3469
02:19:23,750 --> 02:19:21,760
you know a teenager and i left there an

3470
02:19:26,549 --> 02:19:23,760
adult

3471
02:19:27,830 --> 02:19:26,559
and uh you know matthew unfortunately

3472
02:19:28,309 --> 02:19:27,840
you know i could come out and tell

3473
02:19:29,669 --> 02:19:28,319
people

3474
02:19:30,950 --> 02:19:29,679
you know i had to wait till i retired

3475
02:19:32,389 --> 02:19:30,960
but i can come out and i can tell people

3476
02:19:33,990 --> 02:19:32,399
now and i can tell what happened to me

3477
02:19:37,830 --> 02:19:34,000
and that it's real and that this stuff

3478
02:19:39,349 --> 02:19:37,840
exists um and he had he had to turn over

3479
02:19:40,629 --> 02:19:39,359
his manuscript because he talked to me

3480
02:19:42,070 --> 02:19:40,639
originally about writing a book and he

3481
02:19:43,830 --> 02:19:42,080
had to turn it over to dni

3482
02:19:45,349 --> 02:19:43,840
for them to vet it just like they did

3483
02:19:46,870 --> 02:19:45,359
john bolton's book before

3484
02:19:48,389 --> 02:19:46,880
they would publish it i'll let it be

3485
02:19:50,790 --> 02:19:48,399
published

3486
02:19:52,309 --> 02:19:50,800
and you know all the cool stuff came

3487
02:19:53,750 --> 02:19:52,319
back redacted

3488
02:19:55,429 --> 02:19:53,760
you know and he can't share it he's

3489
02:19:58,389 --> 02:19:55,439
under an nda

3490
02:20:00,630 --> 02:19:58,399
so uh and he says you know i'm so

3491
02:20:03,990 --> 02:20:00,640
disappointed he says i i can't work with

3492
02:20:06,389 --> 02:20:04,000
these guys anymore knowing what i know

3493
02:20:08,710 --> 02:20:06,399
i can't work with these people anymore

3494
02:20:11,990 --> 02:20:08,720
and that's a heck of a decision to make

3495
02:20:14,070 --> 02:20:12,000
throwaway retirement for four years but

3496
02:20:15,110 --> 02:20:14,080
i admire the man for his integrity i

3497
02:20:17,510 --> 02:20:15,120
really do

3498
02:20:18,630 --> 02:20:17,520
well and it was one of my questions to

3499
02:20:22,230 --> 02:20:18,640
him that

3500
02:20:25,670 --> 02:20:22,240
uh i have with anybody from the military

3501
02:20:27,750 --> 02:20:25,680
uh or an agency which is

3502
02:20:29,990 --> 02:20:27,760
when you find out things and you have

3503
02:20:32,790 --> 02:20:30,000
your personal experiences

3504
02:20:33,990 --> 02:20:32,800
nobody can take that from you but then

3505
02:20:37,349 --> 02:20:34,000
you hit

3506
02:20:39,349 --> 02:20:37,359
the realization that the government is

3507
02:20:42,309 --> 02:20:39,359
known all along

3508
02:20:43,270 --> 02:20:42,319
they they know things they know the real

3509
02:20:44,710 --> 02:20:43,280
things

3510
02:20:47,030 --> 02:20:44,720
and they're not talking to the public

3511
02:20:48,230 --> 02:20:47,040
about it and they're not going to let

3512
02:20:51,510 --> 02:20:48,240
you talk about it

3513
02:20:53,830 --> 02:20:51,520
you can't find out information and

3514
02:20:55,990 --> 02:20:53,840
that is uh that's a paradigm shift

3515
02:20:58,150 --> 02:20:56,000
that's a world-changing

3516
02:21:00,150 --> 02:20:58,160
life-changing event for somebody to go

3517
02:21:02,389 --> 02:21:00,160
through and he's going through it

3518
02:21:04,550 --> 02:21:02,399
and anybody like him and like yourself

3519
02:21:05,190 --> 02:21:04,560
you know the government knows what they

3520
02:21:07,990 --> 02:21:05,200
know

3521
02:21:08,710 --> 02:21:08,000
if you went through the experience so

3522
02:21:11,670 --> 02:21:08,720
have they

3523
02:21:12,070 --> 02:21:11,680
right that's it that's right that's

3524
02:21:14,790 --> 02:21:12,080
right

3525
02:21:15,990 --> 02:21:14,800
it doesn't get any more clearer to me

3526
02:21:19,590 --> 02:21:16,000
than that

3527
02:21:22,950 --> 02:21:19,600
um i uh i want to get to your last story

3528
02:21:26,469 --> 02:21:22,960
and i know it's late where you are um

3529
02:21:29,510 --> 02:21:26,479
but i've seen what i've seen

3530
02:21:31,270 --> 02:21:29,520
and i've i've got one specific sighting

3531
02:21:33,590 --> 02:21:31,280
that i've had they've all been great but

3532
02:21:36,710 --> 02:21:33,600
one that was pretty crazy

3533
02:21:39,270 --> 02:21:36,720
and i know if if i've seen

3534
02:21:40,630 --> 02:21:39,280
that with my friends we saw it together

3535
02:21:43,349 --> 02:21:40,640
lucinda was there

3536
02:21:43,910 --> 02:21:43,359
i've got lucinda's video uh uh that she

3537
02:21:47,830 --> 02:21:43,920
shot

3538
02:21:50,550 --> 02:21:47,840
well anyway if i saw that

3539
02:21:50,870 --> 02:21:50,560
then so is the pentagon right they they

3540
02:21:54,790 --> 02:21:50,880
they

3541
02:21:57,270 --> 02:21:54,800
know what's going on this isn't just my

3542
02:22:00,710 --> 02:21:57,280
thing the government has been on top of

3543
02:22:02,630 --> 02:22:00,720
this for at least 70 years maybe longer

3544
02:22:03,910 --> 02:22:02,640
yeah i think that's right i mean i don't

3545
02:22:06,790 --> 02:22:03,920
think there's anything in the sky that

3546
02:22:11,670 --> 02:22:06,800
they can't track that they can't know

3547
02:22:17,750 --> 02:22:11,680
you know and i i i i i i remember

3548
02:22:23,349 --> 02:22:21,750
29 poems 29 palms one of the biggest

3549
02:22:26,230 --> 02:22:23,359
maybe the biggest marine

3550
02:22:26,469 --> 02:22:26,240
installation in the world right that's

3551
02:22:33,510 --> 02:22:26,479
it

3552
02:22:36,630 --> 02:22:33,520
everything is happening at 29 palms

3553
02:22:40,389 --> 02:22:36,640
we know this we're 19 miles away

3554
02:22:43,750 --> 02:22:40,399
and we're watching terry this

3555
02:22:45,510 --> 02:22:43,760
steven spielberg thing going on

3556
02:22:46,870 --> 02:22:45,520
and i'm thinking to myself where are the

3557
02:22:50,710 --> 02:22:46,880
helicopters

3558
02:22:54,630 --> 02:22:50,720
where are the planes there you can see

3559
02:22:55,270 --> 02:22:54,640
you know they know what's going on above

3560
02:22:57,270 --> 02:22:55,280
us

3561
02:22:58,790 --> 02:22:57,280
why aren't they responding why aren't

3562
02:23:01,670 --> 02:22:58,800
they doing anything

3563
02:23:02,950 --> 02:23:01,680
well probably because they can't do

3564
02:23:06,150 --> 02:23:02,960
anything number one

3565
02:23:08,389 --> 02:23:06,160
number two this is just another night in

3566
02:23:11,030 --> 02:23:08,399
joshua tree

3567
02:23:13,190 --> 02:23:11,040
this is just another night to them but

3568
02:23:15,190 --> 02:23:13,200
are they responding to every single

3569
02:23:18,230 --> 02:23:15,200
thing that happens all the time

3570
02:23:21,429 --> 02:23:18,240
probably not and i thought about that

3571
02:23:23,429 --> 02:23:21,439
where where's the military right now as

3572
02:23:25,349 --> 02:23:23,439
we're watching this go down

3573
02:23:27,429 --> 02:23:25,359
got the biggest you know marine base in

3574
02:23:30,790 --> 02:23:27,439
the united states it's right there

3575
02:23:32,469 --> 02:23:30,800
and they don't care you know

3576
02:23:34,710 --> 02:23:32,479
in the you know maybe they don't know

3577
02:23:37,510 --> 02:23:34,720
maybe they don't they maybe they know

3578
02:23:38,950 --> 02:23:37,520
yeah but they don't really know you know

3579
02:23:40,389 --> 02:23:38,960
what i mean yeah yeah yeah don't know

3580
02:23:42,309 --> 02:23:40,399
what you don't know yeah they're over

3581
02:23:45,510 --> 02:23:42,319
there going to their back

3582
02:23:48,870 --> 02:23:45,520
yeah oh man are we gonna scramble stuff

3583
02:23:50,630 --> 02:23:48,880
now are we gonna make a statement to the

3584
02:23:51,349 --> 02:23:50,640
press and have that interpreted as an

3585
02:23:55,190 --> 02:23:51,359
admission

3586
02:23:58,550 --> 02:23:55,200
no again yeah yeah exactly

3587
02:24:00,950 --> 02:23:58,560
so there you go okay uh we've got nine

3588
02:24:03,190 --> 02:24:00,960
eight minutes left let's go to

3589
02:24:06,230 --> 02:24:03,200
experience number three

3590
02:24:08,150 --> 02:24:06,240
oh let me tell you about i got a uh

3591
02:24:09,510 --> 02:24:08,160
email from this you know when i laid

3592
02:24:11,110 --> 02:24:09,520
these out on a spreadsheet you know what

3593
02:24:12,790 --> 02:24:11,120
i found was

3594
02:24:16,309 --> 02:24:12,800
the people that had these most dramatic

3595
02:24:19,429 --> 02:24:16,319
experiences were all over age 50.

3596
02:24:20,790 --> 02:24:19,439
and i just thought that was an odd odd

3597
02:24:24,070 --> 02:24:20,800
bit of

3598
02:24:26,870 --> 02:24:24,080
demographic so 69 year old woman

3599
02:24:27,590 --> 02:24:26,880
from oklahoma gets a hold of me and

3600
02:24:31,910 --> 02:24:27,600
she's a

3601
02:24:33,990 --> 02:24:31,920
nurse anesthetist you know very very uh

3602
02:24:36,230 --> 02:24:34,000
very technical job i mean you got to be

3603
02:24:37,990 --> 02:24:36,240
uh the best of the best to be chosen for

3604
02:24:39,309 --> 02:24:38,000
the nurse anesthetist program because

3605
02:24:41,590 --> 02:24:39,319
you basically do the work of an

3606
02:24:44,150 --> 02:24:41,600
anesthesiologist

3607
02:24:45,190 --> 02:24:44,160
and uh so she's a bright lady and she

3608
02:24:46,950 --> 02:24:45,200
told me about this

3609
02:24:48,469 --> 02:24:46,960
they went to see their grandparents

3610
02:24:51,590 --> 02:24:48,479
their maternal grandparents

3611
02:24:53,190 --> 02:24:51,600
on a farm in oklahoma and at this

3612
02:24:56,309 --> 02:24:53,200
farmhouse

3613
02:24:58,550 --> 02:24:56,319
there was a uh a berm a big

3614
02:24:59,429 --> 02:24:58,560
dirt berm you know what i mean when i

3615
02:25:02,630 --> 02:24:59,439
say berm

3616
02:25:04,230 --> 02:25:02,640
yeah it's like a hill like a like a hill

3617
02:25:06,150 --> 02:25:04,240
yeah that made like a wall that

3618
02:25:07,670 --> 02:25:06,160
separated the front the front of the

3619
02:25:09,110 --> 02:25:07,680
farm from the back of the farm

3620
02:25:10,710 --> 02:25:09,120
sure and it was big enough he could

3621
02:25:12,870 --> 02:25:10,720
drive a tractor on top of it

3622
02:25:14,710 --> 02:25:12,880
now the back of the farm was off limits

3623
02:25:17,190 --> 02:25:14,720
girls couldn't go back there

3624
02:25:18,630 --> 02:25:17,200
but the front yard was just you know

3625
02:25:19,830 --> 02:25:18,640
flowers and garden and

3626
02:25:21,670 --> 02:25:19,840
they could play out there all they

3627
02:25:23,030 --> 02:25:21,680
wanted to and they trusted the girls

3628
02:25:24,070 --> 02:25:23,040
they went there every year they were

3629
02:25:28,550 --> 02:25:24,080
nine

3630
02:25:30,550 --> 02:25:28,560
molly was seven

3631
02:25:32,070 --> 02:25:30,560
and they're out chasing butterflies and

3632
02:25:33,429 --> 02:25:32,080
having a good time doing what little

3633
02:25:36,950 --> 02:25:33,439
girls do

3634
02:25:39,270 --> 02:25:36,960
and julia says that she heard calliope

3635
02:25:43,590 --> 02:25:39,280
music

3636
02:25:45,030 --> 02:25:43,600
and you know like a like a circus

3637
02:25:47,830 --> 02:25:45,040
and they [\h__\h] their heads and they're

3638
02:25:48,950 --> 02:25:47,840
listening and they're like oh boy a

3639
02:25:51,349 --> 02:25:48,960
circus

3640
02:25:53,030 --> 02:25:51,359
well you know back in the day their has

3641
02:25:54,870 --> 02:25:53,040
traveled like a circuit and went around

3642
02:25:58,389 --> 02:25:54,880
from town to town

3643
02:26:00,070 --> 02:25:58,399
and but no but the music of course was

3644
02:26:01,670 --> 02:26:00,080
coming from the opposite side of the

3645
02:26:03,830 --> 02:26:01,680
berm

3646
02:26:05,110 --> 02:26:03,840
so she says you know grandpa says we

3647
02:26:05,670 --> 02:26:05,120
can't go on the opposite side of the

3648
02:26:08,230 --> 02:26:05,680
berm

3649
02:26:09,750 --> 02:26:08,240
you know uh julia cautions her younger

3650
02:26:11,110 --> 02:26:09,760
sister and her younger sister comes up

3651
02:26:12,630 --> 02:26:11,120
with a great lunch

3652
02:26:15,190 --> 02:26:12,640
molly would have made a great lawyer she

3653
02:26:17,190 --> 02:26:15,200
said yeah we can't go on the other side

3654
02:26:19,429 --> 02:26:17,200
but we could stand on top and look over

3655
02:26:23,110 --> 02:26:19,439
that wouldn't be uh that wouldn't be uh

3656
02:26:26,630 --> 02:26:23,120
you know that's inbounds that's inbounds

3657
02:26:28,630 --> 02:26:26,640
sure yeah okay so they did

3658
02:26:30,469 --> 02:26:28,640
and you know this is this is so much

3659
02:26:31,750 --> 02:26:30,479
like christmas store i kind of paired up

3660
02:26:34,950 --> 02:26:31,760
with that story

3661
02:26:36,309 --> 02:26:34,960
because of the similarities here

3662
02:26:38,150 --> 02:26:36,319
and when there was there's a similarity

3663
02:26:41,510 --> 02:26:38,160
runs through all of them but she

3664
02:26:44,070 --> 02:26:41,520
and her sister um

3665
02:26:45,910 --> 02:26:44,080
saw what they took to be like a

3666
02:26:47,590 --> 02:26:45,920
merry-go-round carousel whatever name

3667
02:26:47,990 --> 02:26:47,600
you have for it a carnival ride with

3668
02:26:50,710 --> 02:26:48,000
horses

3669
02:26:52,230 --> 02:26:50,720
that go up and down and the thing spins

3670
02:26:53,590 --> 02:26:52,240
but she said this thing looked like the

3671
02:26:55,830 --> 02:26:53,600
horses were alive

3672
02:26:58,070 --> 02:26:55,840
and it was spinning like way faster than

3673
02:26:59,750 --> 02:26:58,080
anybody could get on or get off

3674
02:27:01,429 --> 02:26:59,760
and that the thing was about four feet

3675
02:27:04,230 --> 02:27:01,439
off the ground because she could see

3676
02:27:06,469 --> 02:27:04,240
that it cast a shadow

3677
02:27:07,830 --> 02:27:06,479
underneath and it was just to the right

3678
02:27:09,110 --> 02:27:07,840
of the farm that's one of the reasons

3679
02:27:09,910 --> 02:27:09,120
they were they couldn't go back there

3680
02:27:11,910 --> 02:27:09,920
was there was

3681
02:27:13,190 --> 02:27:11,920
this farm pond that was 12 feet deep

3682
02:27:14,550 --> 02:27:13,200
they were afraid the girls would go back

3683
02:27:16,630 --> 02:27:14,560
there and stumble in the water and not

3684
02:27:19,510 --> 02:27:16,640
come out

3685
02:27:21,429 --> 02:27:19,520
so they she said that she and her sister

3686
02:27:22,070 --> 02:27:21,439
molly laid down on the grass and held

3687
02:27:23,750 --> 02:27:22,080
hands

3688
02:27:26,870 --> 02:27:23,760
and watched this thing for a minute or

3689
02:27:29,990 --> 02:27:26,880
two and then they blacked out

3690
02:27:32,790 --> 02:27:30,000
well they didn't know wherever they

3691
02:27:34,790 --> 02:27:32,800
went grandma and mom came out to get

3692
02:27:36,550 --> 02:27:34,800
bring the girls in for lunch

3693
02:27:38,150 --> 02:27:36,560
and there's no girls they can't find

3694
02:27:40,870 --> 02:27:38,160
them

3695
02:27:43,990 --> 02:27:40,880
and they call neighbors they call the

3696
02:27:45,750 --> 02:27:44,000
grandpa calls the vfw hall they get you

3697
02:27:48,070 --> 02:27:45,760
know people out there searching

3698
02:27:50,070 --> 02:27:48,080
and uh finally the sheriff gets involved

3699
02:27:52,790 --> 02:27:50,080
because these girls are missing

3700
02:27:54,710 --> 02:27:52,800
and four hours pass and they got a guy

3701
02:27:56,790 --> 02:27:54,720
in a john boat two guys in a john boat

3702
02:27:57,270 --> 02:27:56,800
with these long poles stirring up the

3703
02:27:59,910 --> 02:27:57,280
water

3704
02:28:01,429 --> 02:27:59,920
to see if anything floats to the top and

3705
02:28:01,990 --> 02:28:01,439
they're terrified these girl girls have

3706
02:28:05,670 --> 02:28:02,000
drowned

3707
02:28:08,389 --> 02:28:05,680
right right and one of the boatmen

3708
02:28:10,070 --> 02:28:08,399
happened to look toward the shore and he

3709
02:28:11,429 --> 02:28:10,080
said he didn't see them then he looked

3710
02:28:12,710 --> 02:28:11,439
down and he looked up and they were

3711
02:28:14,630 --> 02:28:12,720
there

3712
02:28:16,150 --> 02:28:14,640
and he saw the two girls laying on the

3713
02:28:20,950 --> 02:28:16,160
side of the berm in the grass

3714
02:28:23,110 --> 02:28:20,960
holding hands and they were asleep

3715
02:28:24,309 --> 02:28:23,120
so they went over and of course

3716
02:28:25,750 --> 02:28:24,319
everybody is

3717
02:28:28,550 --> 02:28:25,760
delighted that they're happy and they're

3718
02:28:32,230 --> 02:28:28,560
safe um

3719
02:28:34,230 --> 02:28:32,240
and i'll move forward uh julia said that

3720
02:28:36,790 --> 02:28:34,240
this thing changed their lives

3721
02:28:37,510 --> 02:28:36,800
and what happened was is that she was

3722
02:28:41,750 --> 02:28:37,520
she was always

3723
02:28:44,630 --> 02:28:41,760
very uh she struggled with math

3724
02:28:46,550 --> 02:28:44,640
as a subject it was just tough for her

3725
02:28:49,830 --> 02:28:46,560
she went back to school

3726
02:28:50,230 --> 02:28:49,840
and started with fractions and she said

3727
02:28:52,630 --> 02:28:50,240
it was

3728
02:28:53,510 --> 02:28:52,640
piece of cake no problem her she went

3729
02:28:57,349 --> 02:28:53,520
from a solid c

3730
02:28:59,990 --> 02:28:57,359
student to an a plus student you know

3731
02:29:01,830 --> 02:29:00,000
and she said i don't understand she said

3732
02:29:03,910 --> 02:29:01,840
i never had a grasp of mathematics but

3733
02:29:08,150 --> 02:29:03,920
after this event for some reason

3734
02:29:10,950 --> 02:29:08,160
it makes sense to me numbers make sense

3735
02:29:11,830 --> 02:29:10,960
but molly her seven-year-old two years

3736
02:29:14,790 --> 02:29:11,840
difference

3737
02:29:15,670 --> 02:29:14,800
julia was nine molly was seven molly on

3738
02:29:18,790 --> 02:29:15,680
the other hand

3739
02:29:22,070 --> 02:29:18,800
had behavioral issues and

3740
02:29:24,070 --> 02:29:22,080
uh fell into depression then had uh by

3741
02:29:25,110 --> 02:29:24,080
those diagnosis being bipolar had a

3742
02:29:28,309 --> 02:29:25,120
string of failed

3743
02:29:29,190 --> 02:29:28,319
relationships and she said you know it's

3744
02:29:31,030 --> 02:29:29,200
funny that

3745
02:29:33,349 --> 02:29:31,040
i could never talk to molly about this

3746
02:29:35,190 --> 02:29:33,359
topic she would not talk about it and i

3747
02:29:36,389 --> 02:29:35,200
didn't want to talk about it but really

3748
02:29:38,070 --> 02:29:36,399
i felt like we needed to have a

3749
02:29:39,349 --> 02:29:38,080
conversation because of all these years

3750
02:29:41,670 --> 02:29:39,359
that have passed

3751
02:29:43,750 --> 02:29:41,680
well molly three years ago four years

3752
02:29:46,870 --> 02:29:43,760
ago now

3753
02:29:48,950 --> 02:29:46,880
was terminally ill with breast cancer so

3754
02:29:51,429 --> 02:29:48,960
even though they weren't closest sisters

3755
02:29:53,270 --> 02:29:51,439
she took a family medical leave act took

3756
02:29:53,750 --> 02:29:53,280
time and went to tennessee where molly

3757
02:29:58,630 --> 02:29:53,760
was

3758
02:30:03,030 --> 02:30:01,590
she said that they had you know nice

3759
02:30:05,590 --> 02:30:03,040
conversation

3760
02:30:07,670 --> 02:30:05,600
you know one of the nicest they've had

3761
02:30:09,830 --> 02:30:07,680
since adulthood

3762
02:30:11,830 --> 02:30:09,840
and julia asked her can we talk about

3763
02:30:15,030 --> 02:30:11,840
what happened at grandma and grandpa's

3764
02:30:16,230 --> 02:30:15,040
that summer and molly said no and turned

3765
02:30:19,190 --> 02:30:16,240
her head to the wall

3766
02:30:21,030 --> 02:30:19,200
turned her face away died the next day

3767
02:30:24,389 --> 02:30:21,040
and would never discuss

3768
02:30:25,510 --> 02:30:24,399
what happened um because julia's in that

3769
02:30:27,349 --> 02:30:25,520
spot where so many people

3770
02:30:28,790 --> 02:30:27,359
are you know she's had four hours of

3771
02:30:30,389 --> 02:30:28,800
missing time she doesn't know what

3772
02:30:33,030 --> 02:30:30,399
happened to her

3773
02:30:34,630 --> 02:30:33,040
you know her and said you know if you

3774
02:30:36,550 --> 02:30:34,640
want regression she's like look you know

3775
02:30:39,510 --> 02:30:36,560
i work in the medical community i

3776
02:30:42,389 --> 02:30:39,520
i could get regressed if i wanted to but

3777
02:30:45,670 --> 02:30:42,399
she says i'm afraid to

3778
02:30:48,309 --> 02:30:45,680
and did you um that's incredible

3779
02:30:50,870 --> 02:30:48,319
i don't i want to stay on this we're out

3780
02:30:52,710 --> 02:30:50,880
of time can i keep you up

3781
02:30:55,510 --> 02:30:52,720
sure you don't have to go you don't have

3782
02:31:00,309 --> 02:30:55,520
to play golf in the morning

3783
02:31:04,790 --> 02:31:00,319
no yeah

3784
02:31:08,950 --> 02:31:07,429
when i heard the description of

3785
02:31:10,950 --> 02:31:08,960
something told me carnival

3786
02:31:13,030 --> 02:31:10,960
right they were gonna see something like

3787
02:31:16,389 --> 02:31:13,040
that but

3788
02:31:19,670 --> 02:31:16,399
it doesn't feel carnival-ish

3789
02:31:25,270 --> 02:31:19,680
to me that's what they saw

3790
02:31:29,190 --> 02:31:25,280
right but it feels flying saucer-ish-ish

3791
02:31:32,790 --> 02:31:29,200
to me sure does right right right

3792
02:31:36,070 --> 02:31:32,800
now they they're going to identify it as

3793
02:31:38,550 --> 02:31:36,080
a merry-go-round all right they're

3794
02:31:40,309 --> 02:31:38,560
they're nine and seven years old and and

3795
02:31:41,190 --> 02:31:40,319
they they think that they've heard this

3796
02:31:44,790 --> 02:31:41,200
music

3797
02:31:46,150 --> 02:31:44,800
they've already you know imagined what

3798
02:31:48,150 --> 02:31:46,160
they were going to see by the time they

3799
02:31:52,150 --> 02:31:48,160
got to the top of the berm

3800
02:31:56,469 --> 02:31:52,160
but a floating floating mirror go around

3801
02:32:14,710 --> 02:31:56,479
is is probably not what they saw was it

3802
02:32:18,309 --> 02:32:16,469
and she had a placemat in front of her

3803
02:32:19,830 --> 02:32:18,319
and i said can you draw for me what you

3804
02:32:23,750 --> 02:32:19,840
saw

3805
02:32:23,990 --> 02:32:23,760
anything like a merry-go-round it looked

3806
02:32:29,110 --> 02:32:24,000
like

3807
02:32:30,710 --> 02:32:29,120
and i said well you know what was up

3808
02:32:32,389 --> 02:32:30,720
here and she showed

3809
02:32:34,389 --> 02:32:32,399
you know there were lights all along the

3810
02:32:35,510 --> 02:32:34,399
rim of it but it didn't look like a

3811
02:32:37,110 --> 02:32:35,520
carnival ride to me

3812
02:32:38,389 --> 02:32:37,120
it looked like something else but i

3813
02:32:40,070 --> 02:32:38,399
guess you know when you're seven and

3814
02:32:42,710 --> 02:32:40,080
nine years old

3815
02:32:44,710 --> 02:32:42,720
and you hear the calliope music uh just

3816
02:32:45,750 --> 02:32:44,720
like you know i had these monkeys appear

3817
02:32:48,550 --> 02:32:45,760
to me people

3818
02:32:50,230 --> 02:32:48,560
they've seen uh you know one kid saw a

3819
02:32:52,630 --> 02:32:50,240
walking talking raccoon

3820
02:32:53,990 --> 02:32:52,640
in his room glowing orbs disney

3821
02:32:55,510 --> 02:32:54,000
characters

3822
02:32:57,190 --> 02:32:55,520
people see all kinds of stuff because i

3823
02:32:57,590 --> 02:32:57,200
think they can they can show themselves

3824
02:32:59,590 --> 02:32:57,600
to us

3825
02:33:01,030 --> 02:32:59,600
in a way that will seem as both most

3826
02:33:02,870 --> 02:33:01,040
most benign

3827
02:33:04,550 --> 02:33:02,880
and for these two little girls seeing

3828
02:33:06,150 --> 02:33:04,560
this as a carnival ride must have been

3829
02:33:07,750 --> 02:33:06,160
the most benign thing that they could

3830
02:33:11,110 --> 02:33:07,760
think of

3831
02:33:12,389 --> 02:33:11,120
and uh well your body yeah your mind's

3832
02:33:17,510 --> 02:33:12,399
gonna work

3833
02:33:21,110 --> 02:33:17,520
doesn't want you to snap

3834
02:33:23,270 --> 02:33:21,120
right it's gonna go into protection mode

3835
02:33:24,150 --> 02:33:23,280
i think that's absolutely spot on yeah

3836
02:33:26,389 --> 02:33:24,160
yeah yeah

3837
02:33:27,910 --> 02:33:26,399
it's more than a seven or nine year old

3838
02:33:31,190 --> 02:33:27,920
can process

3839
02:33:34,710 --> 02:33:31,200
absolutely absolutely um

3840
02:33:37,990 --> 02:33:34,720
the other part about this um is

3841
02:33:40,309 --> 02:33:38,000
the regression side of it um

3842
02:33:42,630 --> 02:33:40,319
have you had a session or two with

3843
02:33:46,230 --> 02:33:42,640
yvonne

3844
02:33:48,870 --> 02:33:46,240
i have not we've talked about it um

3845
02:33:50,630 --> 02:33:48,880
i did have a session uh not with yvonne

3846
02:33:52,389 --> 02:33:50,640
but my best friend is a psychiatrist

3847
02:33:55,110 --> 02:33:52,399
he's a board-certified psychiatrist has

3848
02:33:58,309 --> 02:33:55,120
a practice here in dallas

3849
02:33:59,270 --> 02:33:58,319
and i met the guy believe it or not at a

3850
02:34:01,110 --> 02:33:59,280
ufo meeting

3851
02:34:02,469 --> 02:34:01,120
up in grapevine they asked me to come up

3852
02:34:06,150 --> 02:34:02,479
there and speak

3853
02:34:09,670 --> 02:34:06,160
uh mid-2018 uh and i met him

3854
02:34:10,550 --> 02:34:09,680
and uh i asked him i said well you know

3855
02:34:14,309 --> 02:34:10,560
what's a

3856
02:34:15,910 --> 02:34:14,319
know well but you're interested if you

3857
02:34:16,870 --> 02:34:15,920
had an experience he says no but you

3858
02:34:18,550 --> 02:34:16,880
know he's

3859
02:34:20,630 --> 02:34:18,560
so when he was trained in medical school

3860
02:34:21,990 --> 02:34:20,640
that they taught him that

3861
02:34:23,429 --> 02:34:22,000
you know people come forward and say

3862
02:34:25,349 --> 02:34:23,439
that they've been abducted or that they

3863
02:34:26,070 --> 02:34:25,359
saw a ufo or been aboard a craft or

3864
02:34:28,870 --> 02:34:26,080
something

3865
02:34:30,070 --> 02:34:28,880
that's that that's delusional and that

3866
02:34:32,150 --> 02:34:30,080
you know you need to look for an

3867
02:34:33,429 --> 02:34:32,160
underlying psychopathy or some type of

3868
02:34:36,309 --> 02:34:33,439
behavioral issue

3869
02:34:37,990 --> 02:34:36,319
or a personality disorder and he said he

3870
02:34:40,389 --> 02:34:38,000
had people come forward to him and tell

3871
02:34:43,429 --> 02:34:40,399
him these amazing stories and then

3872
02:34:44,950 --> 02:34:43,439
when he went through the diagnosis phase

3873
02:34:47,429 --> 02:34:44,960
he could find nothing wrong with these

3874
02:34:49,750 --> 02:34:47,439
people they were absolutely insane and

3875
02:34:51,190 --> 02:34:49,760
sound mentally sound as they could be

3876
02:34:52,870 --> 02:34:51,200
but they claimed to have these amazing

3877
02:34:55,590 --> 02:34:52,880
experiences so he thought you know what

3878
02:34:57,270 --> 02:34:55,600
there's got to be something to this

3879
02:34:59,190 --> 02:34:57,280
and that's what started him on the path

3880
02:35:02,389 --> 02:34:59,200
of going to

3881
02:35:03,510 --> 02:35:02,399
mufon meetings and uh talking to other

3882
02:35:07,110 --> 02:35:03,520
experiencers

3883
02:35:08,590 --> 02:35:07,120
and he offered my question to him was i

3884
02:35:11,030 --> 02:35:08,600
i don't know if i'm ready to go back to

3885
02:35:14,309 --> 02:35:11,040
1977 and i kind of want to

3886
02:35:15,670 --> 02:35:14,319
have yvonne do that for me um

3887
02:35:17,750 --> 02:35:15,680
but i said you know what i wouldn't mind

3888
02:35:21,670 --> 02:35:17,760
knowing of 2019

3889
02:35:24,150 --> 02:35:21,680
when my uh you know my iphone registered

3890
02:35:26,389 --> 02:35:24,160
60 feet above the ground

3891
02:35:27,190 --> 02:35:26,399
and he said yeah we can do that you know

3892
02:35:29,429 --> 02:35:27,200
i i

3893
02:35:31,030 --> 02:35:29,439
not been hypnotized since the osi did it

3894
02:35:34,070 --> 02:35:31,040
in 1977

3895
02:35:38,830 --> 02:35:34,080
so um but you were okay with it

3896
02:35:49,910 --> 02:35:38,840
well you approached him so yeah okay

3897
02:35:55,349 --> 02:35:52,950
um but i finally got there

3898
02:35:56,710 --> 02:35:55,359
i finally got in that zone it's a weird

3899
02:36:00,550 --> 02:35:56,720
place

3900
02:36:02,389 --> 02:36:00,560
and you know he he

3901
02:36:03,590 --> 02:36:02,399
asked me to go back and said i want you

3902
02:36:07,270 --> 02:36:03,600
know i want to take you back

3903
02:36:09,429 --> 02:36:07,280
to you know it's 5 a.m

3904
02:36:11,429 --> 02:36:09,439
you're asleep and where you at i said

3905
02:36:14,630 --> 02:36:11,439
i'm with my wife

3906
02:36:19,030 --> 02:36:14,640
and he says and something happens at 5

3907
02:36:22,150 --> 02:36:19,040
23 and i said yeah

3908
02:36:23,750 --> 02:36:22,160
and i said i went up

3909
02:36:25,349 --> 02:36:23,760
and he said yeah but there's a ceiling

3910
02:36:27,110 --> 02:36:25,359
above your head and a roof

3911
02:36:29,030 --> 02:36:27,120
and rafters that you'd have to go

3912
02:36:34,150 --> 02:36:29,040
through

3913
02:36:36,309 --> 02:36:34,160
i know this sounds crazy but this is

3914
02:36:37,270 --> 02:36:36,319
what i said under hypnosis i popped

3915
02:36:40,950 --> 02:36:37,280
through

3916
02:36:42,710 --> 02:36:40,960
on the other side outside and i remember

3917
02:36:44,309 --> 02:36:42,720
thinking how it was just breaking dawn

3918
02:36:47,030 --> 02:36:44,319
and i remember thinking how beautiful it

3919
02:36:50,230 --> 02:36:47,040
was outside

3920
02:36:53,349 --> 02:36:50,240
and above me was a saucer

3921
02:36:55,190 --> 02:36:53,359
and it had a elliptical opening

3922
02:36:57,510 --> 02:36:55,200
underneath that opened like a camera

3923
02:37:01,349 --> 02:36:57,520
lens

3924
02:37:04,630 --> 02:37:01,359
and it sucked me up toward that and

3925
02:37:05,110 --> 02:37:04,640
that's when because of my heart problems

3926
02:37:07,190 --> 02:37:05,120
he

3927
02:37:08,550 --> 02:37:07,200
monitored my blood pressure and and said

3928
02:37:10,710 --> 02:37:08,560
you know well

3929
02:37:11,670 --> 02:37:10,720
we'll have to finish this uh another

3930
02:37:13,349 --> 02:37:11,680
time that's

3931
02:37:15,110 --> 02:37:13,359
this was an hour and a half process to

3932
02:37:18,389 --> 02:37:15,120
get to this point right right

3933
02:37:21,429 --> 02:37:18,399
right and uh

3934
02:37:23,110 --> 02:37:21,439
i i can see that now in my mind's eye as

3935
02:37:24,630 --> 02:37:23,120
a real memory not as something planned

3936
02:37:27,110 --> 02:37:24,640
but there's a real memory i can see that

3937
02:37:28,389 --> 02:37:27,120
in my mind's eye and remember it

3938
02:37:30,389 --> 02:37:28,399
and but i want to know what happened

3939
02:37:32,870 --> 02:37:30,399
when i was in there

3940
02:37:34,150 --> 02:37:32,880
what they did to me if anything man

3941
02:37:37,429 --> 02:37:34,160
you're such a tease

3942
02:37:40,870 --> 02:37:37,439
terry you took us right there

3943
02:37:43,510 --> 02:37:40,880
were you um uh uh since you can

3944
02:37:44,309 --> 02:37:43,520
remember this as a conscious memory were

3945
02:37:48,550 --> 02:37:44,319
you

3946
02:37:51,510 --> 02:37:48,560
back and

3947
02:37:53,190 --> 02:37:51,520
what position were you in i was on my

3948
02:37:56,150 --> 02:37:53,200
back just like i was in bed

3949
02:37:57,190 --> 02:37:56,160
right my earbuds were in my pocket now

3950
02:37:59,590 --> 02:37:57,200
what's interesting is

3951
02:38:01,910 --> 02:37:59,600
i also kept i have a long cord and

3952
02:38:04,710 --> 02:38:01,920
because the battery in the iphone so bad

3953
02:38:06,790 --> 02:38:04,720
i kept it plugged into a charger right

3954
02:38:09,349 --> 02:38:06,800
which is no problem you know

3955
02:38:10,550 --> 02:38:09,359
um but the charger had been pulled out

3956
02:38:14,150 --> 02:38:10,560
of the outlet

3957
02:38:17,590 --> 02:38:14,160
and it's dangling underneath me

3958
02:38:21,000 --> 02:38:17,600
right the little charger adapter

3959
02:38:25,110 --> 02:38:21,010
thing yes correct the usb plugs yeah

3960
02:38:29,270 --> 02:38:27,429
wow so i remember that i remember i

3961
02:38:30,790 --> 02:38:29,280
remember that it was absolutely gorgeous

3962
02:38:33,510 --> 02:38:30,800
outside

3963
02:38:37,750 --> 02:38:33,520
can you remember do you remember what uh

3964
02:38:43,670 --> 02:38:41,110
it was um i have a picture

3965
02:38:46,389 --> 02:38:43,680
i have a picture of a saucer i think i

3966
02:38:49,750 --> 02:38:46,399
put it in the back of the red book

3967
02:38:51,750 --> 02:38:49,760
that i took um yeah it's on the very

3968
02:38:52,070 --> 02:38:51,760
last page but you can't see it really

3969
02:38:55,030 --> 02:38:52,080
well

3970
02:38:59,590 --> 02:38:55,040
it's too pixelated it's on 372 it's the

3971
02:38:59,600 --> 02:39:04,389
this was about 16

3972
02:39:09,110 --> 02:39:06,070
little less than two weeks after the

3973
02:39:11,990 --> 02:39:09,120
event in 2019

3974
02:39:15,349 --> 02:39:12,000
i uh came home from a doctor's visit in

3975
02:39:17,429 --> 02:39:15,359
plano and i had this thing following me

3976
02:39:19,670 --> 02:39:17,439
i could see a black smudge in the sky

3977
02:39:21,990 --> 02:39:19,680
following my car

3978
02:39:24,870 --> 02:39:22,000
and i pulled into my driveway and this

3979
02:39:28,630 --> 02:39:24,880
was april 29 2019

3980
02:39:32,469 --> 02:39:28,640
and as i pull in right over my house

3981
02:39:34,230 --> 02:39:32,479
is this saucer and it's it's

3982
02:39:37,429 --> 02:39:34,240
silver on top and it glints in the

3983
02:39:40,630 --> 02:39:37,439
sunshine and the underneath is black

3984
02:39:43,429 --> 02:39:40,640
that's the thing i think that took me

3985
02:39:45,349 --> 02:39:43,439
and i got a picture of it and it was i

3986
02:39:48,070 --> 02:39:45,359
got pictures of it from my car that are

3987
02:39:51,670 --> 02:39:48,080
blurred because it was moving

3988
02:39:52,309 --> 02:39:51,680
but it stood dead still right over my

3989
02:39:56,469 --> 02:39:52,319
house

3990
02:39:57,750 --> 02:39:56,479
and i got a decent picture of it and uh

3991
02:39:59,830 --> 02:39:57,760
i'm happy to have it that's where i

3992
02:40:01,590 --> 02:39:59,840
think i went and i don't know what the

3993
02:40:04,870 --> 02:40:01,600
purpose for it coming back

3994
02:40:06,469 --> 02:40:04,880
and i don't know was that their way of

3995
02:40:10,070 --> 02:40:06,479
saying yeah it was us

3996
02:40:13,269 --> 02:40:10,080
um that's all i can think

3997
02:40:15,830 --> 02:40:13,279
when uh you and i uh

3998
02:40:16,870 --> 02:40:15,840
got together with rita and lucinda and

3999
02:40:18,790 --> 02:40:16,880
and matt

4000
02:40:20,230 --> 02:40:18,800
and and the rest of our friends james

4001
02:40:24,389 --> 02:40:20,240
was there yes

4002
02:40:26,309 --> 02:40:24,399
um there was a lady uh barbara

4003
02:40:27,910 --> 02:40:26,319
who was uh sitting next to me at the

4004
02:40:29,349 --> 02:40:27,920
table as you remember you were sitting

4005
02:40:32,630 --> 02:40:29,359
across from me

4006
02:40:34,870 --> 02:40:32,640
and and shh

4007
02:40:36,230 --> 02:40:34,880
but you know who she is but anyway i'm

4008
02:40:41,190 --> 02:40:36,240
saying to the audience

4009
02:40:44,790 --> 02:40:41,200
she's german i'm going to guess

4010
02:40:47,190 --> 02:40:44,800
she's got to be 70 75

4011
02:40:48,550 --> 02:40:47,200
that's exactly what i'd say yeah yeah 70

4012
02:40:51,590 --> 02:40:48,560
75

4013
02:40:55,349 --> 02:40:51,600
who looked at me deadpan in my eyeballs

4014
02:40:58,870 --> 02:40:55,359
and told me that she has had

4015
02:41:02,230 --> 02:40:58,880
contact since she was a little girl

4016
02:41:05,830 --> 02:41:02,240
and that this has been a lifelong

4017
02:41:09,910 --> 02:41:05,840
series of contact experiences

4018
02:41:12,630 --> 02:41:09,920
and this is the thing uh for me

4019
02:41:13,910 --> 02:41:12,640
first off she's german she's got the

4020
02:41:16,950 --> 02:41:13,920
german accent

4021
02:41:18,550 --> 02:41:16,960
so immediately she's telling the truth

4022
02:41:21,269 --> 02:41:18,560
right

4023
02:41:21,910 --> 02:41:21,279
there's a certain thing but but coming

4024
02:41:25,030 --> 02:41:21,920
from her

4025
02:41:27,590 --> 02:41:25,040
age and the way that

4026
02:41:29,030 --> 02:41:27,600
uh when she says to you and she's

4027
02:41:31,670 --> 02:41:29,040
looking at you she said

4028
02:41:33,910 --> 02:41:31,680
these experiences are real and this has

4029
02:41:37,590 --> 02:41:33,920
been happening to me my whole life and

4030
02:41:40,389 --> 02:41:37,600
and you know once my husband died

4031
02:41:41,830 --> 02:41:40,399
and i i was able to sell the house i

4032
02:41:44,870 --> 02:41:41,840
wanted to come to the united states and

4033
02:41:47,110 --> 02:41:44,880
meet other experiencers and other people

4034
02:41:48,150 --> 02:41:47,120
that i could share all of this with and

4035
02:41:51,750 --> 02:41:48,160
she

4036
02:41:53,510 --> 02:41:51,760
myself

4037
02:41:57,590 --> 02:41:53,520
terry just as you were just saying right

4038
02:42:01,429 --> 02:41:57,600
there it doesn't get any better for me

4039
02:42:04,309 --> 02:42:01,439
to hear somebody of her age

4040
02:42:05,510 --> 02:42:04,319
right to share this with me because it's

4041
02:42:07,429 --> 02:42:05,520
like the best

4042
02:42:09,030 --> 02:42:07,439
the best witness that you can have it's

4043
02:42:11,670 --> 02:42:09,040
the best testimony

4044
02:42:12,550 --> 02:42:11,680
that you can have isn't it it you know

4045
02:42:15,349 --> 02:42:12,560
it sure is

4046
02:42:15,910 --> 02:42:15,359
and i mean you can talk to her and uh

4047
02:42:19,030 --> 02:42:15,920
she is

4048
02:42:23,190 --> 02:42:19,040
incredible

4049
02:42:25,190 --> 02:42:23,200
know we've communicated for years i

4050
02:42:27,990 --> 02:42:25,200
think the world of her she's just such a

4051
02:42:29,990 --> 02:42:28,000
beautiful person uh and we have so many

4052
02:42:33,030 --> 02:42:30,000
things in common that we share

4053
02:42:33,830 --> 02:42:33,040
you know and uh like i said before you

4054
02:42:35,750 --> 02:42:33,840
know what what

4055
02:42:37,670 --> 02:42:35,760
70 80 year old woman makes up a fairy

4056
02:42:39,670 --> 02:42:37,680
tale that just doesn't happen

4057
02:42:43,269 --> 02:42:39,680
you know it just doesn't happen how

4058
02:42:45,670 --> 02:42:43,279
strange was it that she knew my brother

4059
02:42:47,110 --> 02:42:45,680
oh was that was that was that was that

4060
02:42:48,870 --> 02:42:47,120
crazy town

4061
02:42:54,710 --> 02:42:48,880
you know i was raised putting that whole

4062
02:42:57,670 --> 02:42:54,720
thing together your brother's danny

4063
02:42:59,910 --> 02:42:57,680
holy crap you should see the uh the text

4064
02:43:03,429 --> 02:42:59,920
uh that i got from my brother

4065
02:43:06,710 --> 02:43:03,439
uh he goes uh barbara came by to say hi

4066
02:43:09,190 --> 02:43:06,720
today that's all it was

4067
02:43:10,469 --> 02:43:09,200
right that's all it was but i can only

4068
02:43:13,429 --> 02:43:10,479
imagine

4069
02:43:14,389 --> 02:43:13,439
what went through his mind uh with all

4070
02:43:17,349 --> 02:43:14,399
of this

4071
02:43:19,110 --> 02:43:17,359
what a small world what a small world

4072
02:43:20,230 --> 02:43:19,120
way beyond that that is not a

4073
02:43:23,590 --> 02:43:20,240
coincidence

4074
02:43:26,630 --> 02:43:23,600
that she was there at that table

4075
02:43:27,510 --> 02:43:26,640
us that night and that she knew my

4076
02:43:30,309 --> 02:43:27,520
brother

4077
02:43:31,429 --> 02:43:30,319
this is uh there's 375 million people in

4078
02:43:33,590 --> 02:43:31,439
this country

4079
02:43:34,469 --> 02:43:33,600
and for her and i to be sitting next to

4080
02:43:36,469 --> 02:43:34,479
each other

4081
02:43:37,910 --> 02:43:36,479
at that moment and have that happen

4082
02:43:41,030 --> 02:43:37,920
that's strange stuff

4083
02:43:42,630 --> 02:43:41,040
and i enjoy it when it happens yeah you

4084
02:43:45,750 --> 02:43:42,640
were you were keeping an appointment

4085
02:43:47,750 --> 02:43:45,760
and you were right on time it was crazy

4086
02:43:49,269 --> 02:43:47,760
i still can't get over it i still can't

4087
02:43:51,429 --> 02:43:49,279
get over it um

4088
02:43:53,269 --> 02:43:51,439
okay so what is next for you what's

4089
02:43:56,790 --> 02:43:53,279
going on

4090
02:43:57,190 --> 02:43:56,800
i'm writing a third book and it's called

4091
02:44:07,429 --> 02:43:57,200
uh

4092
02:44:07,990 --> 02:44:07,439
you got my attention yeah you know what

4093
02:44:09,349 --> 02:44:08,000
uh

4094
02:44:11,110 --> 02:44:09,359
i don't know if you've ever heard of the

4095
02:44:13,429 --> 02:44:11,120
expression go tell the bees

4096
02:44:15,349 --> 02:44:13,439
no i haven't i haven't i got exposed to

4097
02:44:18,630 --> 02:44:15,359
it it originally

4098
02:44:21,269 --> 02:44:18,640
began in england and scotland ireland

4099
02:44:23,269 --> 02:44:21,279
and came across to uh when people

4100
02:44:24,790 --> 02:44:23,279
migrated here and became kind of an

4101
02:44:27,910 --> 02:44:24,800
appalachian thing and still

4102
02:44:28,469 --> 02:44:27,920
is and when i was age eight i went down

4103
02:44:31,990 --> 02:44:28,479
to

4104
02:44:34,630 --> 02:44:32,000
uh arkansas where my grandparents

4105
02:44:36,309 --> 02:44:34,640
lived and my gran my grandfather passed

4106
02:44:39,110 --> 02:44:36,319
away went down for his funeral

4107
02:44:39,429 --> 02:44:39,120
and i'm eight years old right and i'm in

4108
02:44:42,710 --> 02:44:39,439
the

4109
02:44:44,070 --> 02:44:42,720
and my

4110
02:44:46,710 --> 02:44:44,080
my folks are out picking up another

4111
02:44:48,790 --> 02:44:46,720
cousin or something so it's just me

4112
02:44:50,150 --> 02:44:48,800
grandma aunts and uncles in the kitchen

4113
02:44:52,309 --> 02:44:50,160
and they're talking about who's gonna

4114
02:44:54,070 --> 02:44:52,319
tell the bees

4115
02:44:56,070 --> 02:44:54,080
and grandma says well that's my job i

4116
02:44:58,710 --> 02:44:56,080
should do that

4117
02:44:59,349 --> 02:44:58,720
so we piled in uncle ray's big 59

4118
02:45:01,990 --> 02:44:59,359
cadillac

4119
02:45:02,950 --> 02:45:02,000
and we drive down to buy the barn at the

4120
02:45:06,550 --> 02:45:02,960
side of the field

4121
02:45:10,070 --> 02:45:06,560
where they have like 15 beehives

4122
02:45:13,349 --> 02:45:10,080
and this custom goes back you know

4123
02:45:16,590 --> 02:45:13,359
if you if you google john

4124
02:45:21,030 --> 02:45:16,600
zepka z-e-p-k-a

4125
02:45:24,469 --> 02:45:21,040
1956 you'll find an example of this

4126
02:45:27,510 --> 02:45:24,479
um if you don't tell the bees

4127
02:45:29,830 --> 02:45:27,520
they will they'll either die

4128
02:45:31,269 --> 02:45:29,840
or the the the they'll move away from

4129
02:45:34,870 --> 02:45:31,279
the hive they'll go somewhere else

4130
02:45:35,990 --> 02:45:34,880
relocate so she took these black pieces

4131
02:45:39,269 --> 02:45:36,000
of cloth

4132
02:45:40,790 --> 02:45:39,279
about a foot square and put one on every

4133
02:45:42,950 --> 02:45:40,800
single hive on top

4134
02:45:46,070 --> 02:45:42,960
and then took a glass of sweet wine and

4135
02:45:48,790 --> 02:45:46,080
set it on top of the hive in the middle

4136
02:45:49,990 --> 02:45:48,800
and she stood back and in a loud voice

4137
02:45:51,429 --> 02:45:50,000
she says

4138
02:45:54,790 --> 02:45:51,439
with her with her with her country

4139
02:45:58,309 --> 02:45:54,800
accent of course i want humans to know

4140
02:46:01,269 --> 02:45:58,319
charles died two nights ago

4141
02:46:03,269 --> 02:46:01,279
and his funeral will be this afternoon

4142
02:46:05,269 --> 02:46:03,279
at four o'clock

4143
02:46:07,030 --> 02:46:05,279
but he wants you to know that he loves

4144
02:46:09,670 --> 02:46:07,040
you and he doesn't want you to leave or

4145
02:46:12,550 --> 02:46:09,680
go somewhere else

4146
02:46:13,590 --> 02:46:12,560
it'll be my hands in your hive or

4147
02:46:17,110 --> 02:46:13,600
kenneth's hands

4148
02:46:20,950 --> 02:46:17,120
in your hive instead of charles

4149
02:46:23,349 --> 02:46:20,960
but we want you to stay and uh

4150
02:46:24,950 --> 02:46:23,359
you know i i'm confused i mean my uncle

4151
02:46:25,750 --> 02:46:24,960
ray's walking me back to the car and i'm

4152
02:46:27,510 --> 02:46:25,760
like

4153
02:46:28,950 --> 02:46:27,520
you know uncle ray those are uncle

4154
02:46:30,710 --> 02:46:28,960
kenneth those are just bugs

4155
02:46:32,150 --> 02:46:30,720
why do you gotta tell bugs that uh

4156
02:46:34,710 --> 02:46:32,160
somebody died in the family

4157
02:46:36,630 --> 02:46:34,720
right right and he said something he

4158
02:46:38,309 --> 02:46:36,640
said they're not they're not just bugs

4159
02:46:41,030 --> 02:46:38,319
he said they're a part of this farm just

4160
02:46:43,830 --> 02:46:41,040
like the cows just like the cats

4161
02:46:47,349 --> 02:46:43,840
and he said if you don't tell them and

4162
02:46:49,190 --> 02:46:47,359
somebody else's hand is in the hive

4163
02:46:51,429 --> 02:46:49,200
they'll think they've been betrayed or

4164
02:46:54,550 --> 02:46:51,439
they might move but they might just

4165
02:46:56,230 --> 02:46:54,560
all die and he said you've got to do

4166
02:46:58,870 --> 02:46:56,240
this and if you look at that

4167
02:46:59,670 --> 02:46:58,880
i think that i think the uh i've got

4168
02:47:02,950 --> 02:46:59,680
story

4169
02:47:06,230 --> 02:47:02,960
i've got 14 yes 14

4170
02:47:09,110 --> 02:47:06,240
200 results

4171
02:47:10,710 --> 02:47:09,120
about john zepka and and what happened

4172
02:47:15,269 --> 02:47:10,720
in 1956

4173
02:47:17,910 --> 02:47:15,279
i have never heard of this before

4174
02:47:20,070 --> 02:47:17,920
don't uh go tell the bees that i'm gone

4175
02:47:23,910 --> 02:47:20,080
go tell the bees

4176
02:47:27,349 --> 02:47:23,920
it's millions millions i had no idea

4177
02:47:30,150 --> 02:47:27,359
i've never heard of this before

4178
02:47:31,750 --> 02:47:30,160
my mind is blown right now the big thing

4179
02:47:33,590 --> 02:47:31,760
right now is consciousness and we're all

4180
02:47:37,110 --> 02:47:33,600
talking about consciousness

4181
02:47:38,150 --> 02:47:37,120
and here you're looking at um collective

4182
02:47:41,670 --> 02:47:38,160
consciousness

4183
02:47:43,510 --> 02:47:41,680
you know they call it a hive mentality

4184
02:47:45,510 --> 02:47:43,520
but you know john zepca for those who

4185
02:47:47,990 --> 02:47:45,520
don't have the story in front of them

4186
02:47:50,950 --> 02:47:48,000
john zepka passed away and he was quote

4187
02:47:53,190 --> 02:47:50,960
known as the man who had a way with bees

4188
02:47:55,269 --> 02:47:53,200
and at his funeral now his wife went out

4189
02:47:57,590 --> 02:47:55,279
and announced to the bees

4190
02:47:59,269 --> 02:47:57,600
john died last night and his feeling was

4191
02:48:03,670 --> 02:47:59,279
going to be at such and such a time such

4192
02:48:06,150 --> 02:48:03,680
such a place well at the gravesite

4193
02:48:07,110 --> 02:48:06,160
during the grave service here come 14

4194
02:48:10,630 --> 02:48:07,120
000 bees

4195
02:48:12,950 --> 02:48:10,640
and land all over the uh the flowers

4196
02:48:14,870 --> 02:48:12,960
and the drapes over the the thing that

4197
02:48:17,750 --> 02:48:14,880
you know that they lower the casket with

4198
02:48:19,030 --> 02:48:17,760
and a headstone and they just covered it

4199
02:48:20,950 --> 02:48:19,040
but they didn't buzz

4200
02:48:22,550 --> 02:48:20,960
they didn't molest anybody nobody got

4201
02:48:25,190 --> 02:48:22,560
stung

4202
02:48:27,269 --> 02:48:25,200
and they just sat there until the

4203
02:48:29,670 --> 02:48:27,279
service was finished

4204
02:48:31,429 --> 02:48:29,680
and they started to lure the thing into

4205
02:48:34,630 --> 02:48:31,439
the lower the casket into the ground

4206
02:48:38,070 --> 02:48:34,640
and then they lifted up and

4207
02:48:39,269 --> 02:48:38,080
in mass flew back to the zepca farm it's

4208
02:48:42,550 --> 02:48:39,279
right here

4209
02:48:45,030 --> 02:48:42,560
ap right associated press uh the

4210
02:48:48,550 --> 02:48:45,040
headlines a strange occurrence today

4211
02:48:49,110 --> 02:48:48,560
at the funeral of john zepka and there

4212
02:48:51,510 --> 02:48:49,120
it's just

4213
02:48:53,269 --> 02:48:51,520
news report after news report that is

4214
02:48:57,190 --> 02:48:53,279
unbelievable

4215
02:49:00,950 --> 02:48:57,200
that i'm gone

4216
02:49:04,309 --> 02:49:00,960
right just that is 55 million

4217
02:49:06,950 --> 02:49:04,319
700 000 hits on google i had no idea

4218
02:49:09,030 --> 02:49:06,960
i've never heard of this before

4219
02:49:10,870 --> 02:49:09,040
yeah well i i witnessed it as a child

4220
02:49:13,110 --> 02:49:10,880
and it made a big impression on me

4221
02:49:14,950 --> 02:49:13,120
and you know it kind of uh kind of

4222
02:49:17,110 --> 02:49:14,960
shaped the way that i view animals i

4223
02:49:18,710 --> 02:49:17,120
think that we underestimate

4224
02:49:20,550 --> 02:49:18,720
the intellect that they have and the

4225
02:49:24,070 --> 02:49:20,560
feelings that they have

4226
02:49:26,630 --> 02:49:24,080
and uh yeah i mean

4227
02:49:29,269 --> 02:49:26,640
they're not just bugs i mean uh

4228
02:49:31,590 --> 02:49:29,279
collectively they've got something

4229
02:49:34,230 --> 02:49:31,600
well you know what i i said this last

4230
02:49:35,990 --> 02:49:34,240
week um

4231
02:49:38,870 --> 02:49:36,000
last month let's let's go with last

4232
02:49:43,349 --> 02:49:38,880
month i said on the show

4233
02:49:46,630 --> 02:49:43,359
terry i said if i was king of the world

4234
02:49:47,030 --> 02:49:46,640
right i'm king of the world i would make

4235
02:49:51,429 --> 02:49:47,040
it

4236
02:49:55,750 --> 02:49:51,439
illegal to kill a bee

4237
02:49:58,710 --> 02:49:55,760
i would i would prison time

4238
02:50:00,230 --> 02:49:58,720
i i agree with you 100 and you know

4239
02:50:00,790 --> 02:50:00,240
probably one of the biggest killers of

4240
02:50:05,510 --> 02:50:00,800
bees

4241
02:50:07,670 --> 02:50:05,520
is a herbicide

4242
02:50:09,510 --> 02:50:07,680
you know i won't mention bayer by name

4243
02:50:13,429 --> 02:50:09,520
oops yeah you just did

4244
02:50:17,190 --> 02:50:13,439
and i i there are no pesticides at my

4245
02:50:20,550 --> 02:50:17,200
i just won't do it i mean i feel

4246
02:50:22,870 --> 02:50:20,560
really i love the bees

4247
02:50:24,389 --> 02:50:22,880
you know i do and we've got you know

4248
02:50:27,590 --> 02:50:24,399
watching them

4249
02:50:31,349 --> 02:50:27,600
uh do their thing in our garden

4250
02:50:34,309 --> 02:50:31,359
it's just magnificent it's it's magic

4251
02:50:34,790 --> 02:50:34,319
oh it's just magnificent i have never

4252
02:50:37,990 --> 02:50:34,800
i've

4253
02:50:39,670 --> 02:50:38,000
never heard of this before this is one

4254
02:50:40,070 --> 02:50:39,680
of my favorite parts about doing this

4255
02:50:43,750 --> 02:50:40,080
show

4256
02:50:47,670 --> 02:50:43,760
is learning something and uh i can only

4257
02:50:51,190 --> 02:50:47,680
imagine how twitter is uh going to react

4258
02:50:53,190 --> 02:50:51,200
uh with this yeah there it is yeah

4259
02:50:55,349 --> 02:50:53,200
go tell the beast so okay so what's the

4260
02:50:58,710 --> 02:50:55,359
book going to be about

4261
02:50:59,110 --> 02:50:58,720
your experiences a death anthology it's

4262
02:51:02,230 --> 02:50:59,120
about

4263
02:51:03,830 --> 02:51:02,240
customs that deal with death uh i kind

4264
02:51:05,990 --> 02:51:03,840
of got the idea after i read leslie

4265
02:51:07,040 --> 02:51:06,000
kane's book

4266
02:51:14,389 --> 02:51:07,050
surviving death

4267
02:51:17,510 --> 02:51:16,550
consciousness thing is a hot topic right

4268
02:51:21,990 --> 02:51:17,520
now

4269
02:51:25,190 --> 02:51:22,000
wonder

4270
02:51:26,230 --> 02:51:25,200
uh you know how is this possible and yet

4271
02:51:27,990 --> 02:51:26,240
you know we've been

4272
02:51:30,469 --> 02:51:28,000
we've been around a sentient living

4273
02:51:33,190 --> 02:51:30,479
human beings uh smart people

4274
02:51:34,870 --> 02:51:33,200
for forty thousand years you know uh a

4275
02:51:36,550 --> 02:51:34,880
man from forty thousand years ago

4276
02:51:38,070 --> 02:51:36,560
if you took a baby from forty thousand

4277
02:51:41,590 --> 02:51:38,080
years ago uh

4278
02:51:43,110 --> 02:51:41,600
uh a humanoid uh pardon me a homo sapien

4279
02:51:44,710 --> 02:51:43,120
and you brought them here and you raised

4280
02:51:45,670 --> 02:51:44,720
them and uh they would grow up to be an

4281
02:51:48,870 --> 02:51:45,680
average person

4282
02:51:51,910 --> 02:51:48,880
with the same intellect and the same uh

4283
02:51:54,230 --> 02:51:51,920
gifts that god gave you and me both

4284
02:51:55,349 --> 02:51:54,240
so but in those 40 000 years that man's

4285
02:51:57,110 --> 02:51:55,359
been so smart

4286
02:51:58,710 --> 02:51:57,120
you know there's not one animal we can

4287
02:51:59,990 --> 02:51:58,720
sit down and have a conversation with

4288
02:52:02,469 --> 02:52:00,000
not a single one

4289
02:52:04,230 --> 02:52:02,479
you know i can't sit down with my cat

4290
02:52:06,309 --> 02:52:04,240
and say hey murray how was your day

4291
02:52:07,750 --> 02:52:06,319
you know we don't have that we can't

4292
02:52:09,990 --> 02:52:07,760
establish that dialogue

4293
02:52:11,269 --> 02:52:10,000
despite all these tens of thousands of

4294
02:52:13,190 --> 02:52:11,279
years

4295
02:52:14,630 --> 02:52:13,200
and then i think about you know e.t and

4296
02:52:17,190 --> 02:52:14,640
about how some of the

4297
02:52:18,870 --> 02:52:17,200
ways that they communicated with me have

4298
02:52:23,030 --> 02:52:18,880
been so strange

4299
02:52:25,349 --> 02:52:23,040
and so strained and so you know

4300
02:52:26,790 --> 02:52:25,359
unlike a dialogue or a conversation you

4301
02:52:29,110 --> 02:52:26,800
know they're doing the talk and i'm

4302
02:52:30,870 --> 02:52:29,120
doing the listening mostly

4303
02:52:33,510 --> 02:52:30,880
and i guess you know they probably have

4304
02:52:35,429 --> 02:52:33,520
that same um

4305
02:52:37,590 --> 02:52:35,439
gap in intellect you know they're

4306
02:52:39,590 --> 02:52:37,600
probably 500 rungs up the evolutionary

4307
02:52:42,070 --> 02:52:39,600
ladder from us

4308
02:52:43,670 --> 02:52:42,080
and um just like we can't come i can't

4309
02:52:45,670 --> 02:52:43,680
communicate with my cat they have

4310
02:52:47,750 --> 02:52:45,680
difficulty probably communicating with

4311
02:52:50,950 --> 02:52:47,760
us

4312
02:52:53,910 --> 02:52:50,960
so yeah and it's not only uh i mean the

4313
02:52:56,309 --> 02:52:53,920
big thing is the communication part

4314
02:52:57,990 --> 02:52:56,319
they may not even have vocal cords right

4315
02:53:01,349 --> 02:52:58,000
so take that part out

4316
02:53:03,269 --> 02:53:01,359
right and it is the big brain connecting

4317
02:53:06,309 --> 02:53:03,279
with the small brain

4318
02:53:08,790 --> 02:53:06,319
the attempt at telepathy or some kind of

4319
02:53:09,590 --> 02:53:08,800
communication some kind of entanglement

4320
02:53:14,309 --> 02:53:09,600
but

4321
02:53:17,990 --> 02:53:14,319
it's understanding what they are saying

4322
02:53:21,110 --> 02:53:18,000
that's a whole nother conversation right

4323
02:53:21,910 --> 02:53:21,120
you said 40 000 years but if you went

4324
02:53:25,030 --> 02:53:21,920
back

4325
02:53:27,269 --> 02:53:25,040
just 150 years ago

4326
02:53:28,710 --> 02:53:27,279
to the old west and you're trying to

4327
02:53:30,790 --> 02:53:28,720
communicate

4328
02:53:32,710 --> 02:53:30,800
math or cell phones or trying to tell

4329
02:53:33,990 --> 02:53:32,720
somebody on the wagon train what this

4330
02:53:35,750 --> 02:53:34,000
thing does

4331
02:53:37,830 --> 02:53:35,760
they're not going to get that no matter

4332
02:53:39,750 --> 02:53:37,840
what you try to well it's the internet

4333
02:53:42,070 --> 02:53:39,760
and it's uh

4334
02:53:44,150 --> 02:53:42,080
all the world's knowledge and and you

4335
02:53:45,670 --> 02:53:44,160
can you know you can watch a movie on

4336
02:53:47,190 --> 02:53:45,680
this what's a movie well

4337
02:53:49,670 --> 02:53:47,200
you know what i mean you you just

4338
02:53:52,870 --> 02:53:49,680
couldn't do it you couldn't do it

4339
02:53:55,269 --> 02:53:52,880
was too big it's too wide

4340
02:53:57,269 --> 02:53:55,279
so how how are we going to deal with a

4341
02:54:00,630 --> 02:53:57,279
million years

4342
02:54:03,510 --> 02:54:00,640
not a hundred right you know i i

4343
02:54:04,950 --> 02:54:03,520
i i'm happy to say that i don't think we

4344
02:54:06,150 --> 02:54:04,960
have that problem i think the problem's

4345
02:54:08,710 --> 02:54:06,160
in their hands

4346
02:54:09,750 --> 02:54:08,720
and i'm just hoping that uh praying that

4347
02:54:12,790 --> 02:54:09,760
they uh

4348
02:54:14,630 --> 02:54:12,800
do it kindly and benevolently and uh are

4349
02:54:17,429 --> 02:54:14,640
patient with us

4350
02:54:21,190 --> 02:54:17,439
um uh well you just said because and i

4351
02:54:22,630 --> 02:54:21,200
cut you off because why

4352
02:54:24,389 --> 02:54:22,640
because you know we're not on their

4353
02:54:26,870 --> 02:54:24,399
level uh we need

4354
02:54:28,389 --> 02:54:26,880
from them empathy and understanding and

4355
02:54:29,990 --> 02:54:28,399
uh

4356
02:54:31,750 --> 02:54:30,000
you know they're they're they're on a

4357
02:54:32,950 --> 02:54:31,760
different level just like i'm on a

4358
02:54:35,269 --> 02:54:32,960
different level than

4359
02:54:36,870 --> 02:54:35,279
murray here they're they're on a

4360
02:54:39,670 --> 02:54:36,880
completely different level

4361
02:54:40,870 --> 02:54:39,680
it's it's so funny i keep going back

4362
02:54:43,910 --> 02:54:40,880
terry

4363
02:54:47,269 --> 02:54:43,920
to this this quote from

4364
02:54:48,870 --> 02:54:47,279
giorgio soucolos of all people right and

4365
02:54:52,070 --> 02:54:48,880
we love giorgio

4366
02:54:53,750 --> 02:54:52,080
but he said this one thing a few years

4367
02:54:56,230 --> 02:54:53,760
ago on the show

4368
02:54:57,429 --> 02:54:56,240
that has just stuck with me over the

4369
02:55:00,830 --> 02:54:57,439
years

4370
02:55:02,469 --> 02:55:00,840
and this is what he said he said look

4371
02:55:06,389 --> 02:55:02,479
jimmy

4372
02:55:07,670 --> 02:55:06,399
when it happens the flying saucer on the

4373
02:55:10,950 --> 02:55:07,680
white house lawn

4374
02:55:13,990 --> 02:55:10,960
when it happens stairs come down e.t

4375
02:55:17,750 --> 02:55:14,000
comes down starts talking to us

4376
02:55:18,310 --> 02:55:17,760
we're going to find out that we were all

4377
02:55:21,429 --> 02:55:18,320
wrong

4378
02:55:24,469 --> 02:55:21,439
[Laughter]

4379
02:55:27,110 --> 02:55:24,479
just right there if you just think about

4380
02:55:29,190 --> 02:55:27,120
how profound that statement is no matter

4381
02:55:33,429 --> 02:55:29,200
what we think no matter what

4382
02:55:34,950 --> 02:55:33,439
we think we know from everybody that is

4383
02:55:37,190 --> 02:55:34,960
discussing this

4384
02:55:38,389 --> 02:55:37,200
it doesn't matter we're all wrong

4385
02:55:40,550 --> 02:55:38,399
doesn't it

4386
02:55:42,150 --> 02:55:40,560
does that just dovetail very nicely with

4387
02:55:45,269 --> 02:55:42,160
what jaime mcshed

4388
02:55:47,269 --> 02:55:45,279
said that you know that we're not ready

4389
02:55:48,469 --> 02:55:47,279
until we understand the nature of space

4390
02:55:50,710 --> 02:55:48,479
and spacecraft and i

4391
02:55:51,590 --> 02:55:50,720
still don't get that line do you

4392
02:55:55,110 --> 02:55:51,600
remember uh

4393
02:55:57,510 --> 02:55:55,120
yes yes yes um uh in

4394
02:55:58,550 --> 02:55:57,520
in hitchhiker's guide to the react uh to

4395
02:56:01,830 --> 02:55:58,560
the uh

4396
02:56:04,309 --> 02:56:01,840
to the galaxy in in that book

4397
02:56:06,790 --> 02:56:04,319
the funnies you know what is the answer

4398
02:56:10,230 --> 02:56:06,800
to everything

4399
02:56:14,469 --> 02:56:10,240
42 42

4400
02:56:17,510 --> 02:56:14,479
right just like well you ask there it is

4401
02:56:19,910 --> 02:56:17,520
what are you gonna do with it right well

4402
02:56:21,990 --> 02:56:19,920
you know they're numbers are supposedly

4403
02:56:22,950 --> 02:56:22,000
sacred there's sacred geometry sacred

4404
02:56:25,750 --> 02:56:22,960
numbers

4405
02:56:26,070 --> 02:56:25,760
uh i don't know where 42 falls in that

4406
02:56:29,590 --> 02:56:26,080
but

4407
02:56:31,349 --> 02:56:29,600
uh you know i've uh

4408
02:56:33,030 --> 02:56:31,359
when the molten howl did some amazing

4409
02:56:35,910 --> 02:56:33,040
things with numbers and crop circles

4410
02:56:38,469 --> 02:56:35,920
that just blew me away

4411
02:56:39,349 --> 02:56:38,479
are you going to be uh we're at the end

4412
02:56:41,429 --> 02:56:39,359
of the show

4413
02:56:43,190 --> 02:56:41,439
um i know that we just saw each other a

4414
02:56:46,230 --> 02:56:43,200
couple of weeks ago are you going to be

4415
02:56:47,990 --> 02:56:46,240
appearing at any conferences

4416
02:56:49,349 --> 02:56:48,000
no i just got back from sedona i did

4417
02:56:52,469 --> 02:56:49,359
five days in sedona

4418
02:56:54,710 --> 02:56:52,479
right that was beautiful but i don't

4419
02:56:57,750 --> 02:56:54,720
have anything else planned you know uh

4420
02:57:01,670 --> 02:56:57,760
uh contact in the desert is digital uh

4421
02:57:03,990 --> 02:57:01,680
the ozark conference is digital um

4422
02:57:05,190 --> 02:57:04,000
so but uh i'm gonna have a second shot

4423
02:57:07,110 --> 02:57:05,200
in me by this weekend

4424
02:57:09,429 --> 02:57:07,120
and i'm gonna be uh brave and i'm gonna

4425
02:57:12,870 --> 02:57:09,439
try to go i'd like to go out and

4426
02:57:14,150 --> 02:57:12,880
do some in-person uh appearances because

4427
02:57:15,910 --> 02:57:14,160
you know what i missed that and it's

4428
02:57:17,670 --> 02:57:15,920
that person-to-person contact and just

4429
02:57:18,550 --> 02:57:17,680
the handshakes and just the hugs i miss

4430
02:57:21,670 --> 02:57:18,560
the

4431
02:57:21,990 --> 02:57:21,680
you know talking to people and um yeah

4432
02:57:25,750 --> 02:57:22,000
we

4433
02:57:29,190 --> 02:57:25,760
that

4434
02:57:34,469 --> 02:57:29,200
uh we we just decided

4435
02:57:36,150 --> 02:57:34,479
enough of the uh online live streaming

4436
02:57:38,230 --> 02:57:36,160
no we're going to go ahead and take the

4437
02:57:41,190 --> 02:57:38,240
initiative and we are going to do

4438
02:57:43,670 --> 02:57:41,200
in person only so we've got a conference

4439
02:57:46,469 --> 02:57:43,680
that we're doing uh the ufo megacon

4440
02:57:48,150 --> 02:57:46,479
uh we're gonna do that in june and

4441
02:57:50,389 --> 02:57:48,160
that's in laughlin nevada

4442
02:57:52,790 --> 02:57:50,399
and and then we're going to go do paula

4443
02:57:56,070 --> 02:57:52,800
harris's conference star works

4444
02:57:58,469 --> 02:57:56,080
in november also in laughlin but

4445
02:58:00,070 --> 02:57:58,479
i need to get out there i need to get

4446
02:58:01,269 --> 02:58:00,080
out there and hang out with you i need

4447
02:58:04,630 --> 02:58:01,279
to get out there

4448
02:58:06,870 --> 02:58:04,640
and be with our people and and do this

4449
02:58:07,750 --> 02:58:06,880
i'm going stir crazy just like everybody

4450
02:58:11,110 --> 02:58:07,760
else

4451
02:58:14,389 --> 02:58:11,120
so if i'm going to put my what's that

4452
02:58:17,910 --> 02:58:14,399
it's where we belong yes i miss it man

4453
02:58:19,590 --> 02:58:17,920
i miss it so much i all i want my focus

4454
02:58:21,190 --> 02:58:19,600
is this and this is what i told rita i'm

4455
02:58:24,389 --> 02:58:21,200
not joking about this

4456
02:58:27,110 --> 02:58:24,399
i want bar food drinks

4457
02:58:28,469 --> 02:58:27,120
and people for as long as i can take it

4458
02:58:31,110 --> 02:58:28,479
that's what i want

4459
02:58:32,070 --> 02:58:31,120
i want to go out and get bar food bring

4460
02:58:35,510 --> 02:58:32,080
me some nachos

4461
02:58:38,389 --> 02:58:35,520
and some sliders and an ice cold beer

4462
02:58:39,830 --> 02:58:38,399
and and and people and that's what i

4463
02:58:41,990 --> 02:58:39,840
want and so that's what we're going to

4464
02:58:43,830 --> 02:58:42,000
do for the rest of the year

4465
02:58:45,269 --> 02:58:43,840
and god bless you i got a little bit of

4466
02:58:46,550 --> 02:58:45,279
that in sedona and i got to tell you

4467
02:58:48,150 --> 02:58:46,560
after a year without it

4468
02:58:50,150 --> 02:58:48,160
it was awfully nice it was like a

4469
02:58:53,269 --> 02:58:50,160
brazilian steakhouse

4470
02:58:55,269 --> 02:58:53,279
you look great terry thank you so much

4471
02:58:56,230 --> 02:58:55,279
man and we can't wait this long for the

4472
02:58:58,469 --> 02:58:56,240
next time

4473
02:58:59,670 --> 02:58:58,479
and i look so forward to it thank you so

4474
02:59:02,070 --> 02:58:59,680
much

4475
02:59:02,870 --> 02:59:02,080
thank you enjoy myself as always you're

4476
02:59:04,950 --> 02:59:02,880
the best

4477
02:59:06,309 --> 02:59:04,960
terry lovelace thank you so much we just

4478
02:59:09,110 --> 02:59:06,319
want paul to pull

4479
02:59:10,950 --> 02:59:09,120
i blew through commercials uh for this

4480
02:59:11,510 --> 02:59:10,960
last half of the show terry so there you

4481
02:59:13,429 --> 02:59:11,520
go

4482
02:59:16,070 --> 02:59:13,439
thank you so much man be safe and be

4483
02:59:22,750 --> 02:59:20,110
terry lovelace again it is very simple

4484
02:59:24,469 --> 02:59:22,760
terrylovelace.com the links are over at

4485
02:59:26,950 --> 02:59:24,479
jimmychurchradio.com

4486
02:59:29,030 --> 02:59:26,960
incredible conversation tonight just

4487
02:59:30,790 --> 02:59:29,040
incredible thank you so much terry

4488
02:59:33,670 --> 02:59:30,800
fade to black's executive producer is

4489
02:59:37,269 --> 02:59:35,510
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4490
02:59:39,830 --> 02:59:37,279
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4491
02:59:40,469 --> 02:59:39,840
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4492
02:59:43,510 --> 02:59:40,479
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4493
02:59:46,269 --> 02:59:43,520
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4494
02:59:47,670 --> 02:59:46,279
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4495
02:59:49,830 --> 02:59:47,680
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4496
02:59:51,870 --> 02:59:49,840
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4497
02:59:53,510 --> 02:59:51,880
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4498
02:59:56,230 --> 02:59:53,520
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4499
02:59:58,389 --> 02:59:56,240
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4500
02:59:59,910 --> 02:59:58,399
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4501
03:00:01,830 --> 02:59:59,920
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4502
03:00:03,510 --> 03:00:01,840
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4503
03:00:04,309 --> 03:00:03,520
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4504
03:00:06,070 --> 03:00:04,319
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4505
03:00:07,590 --> 03:00:06,080
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4506
03:00:09,030 --> 03:00:07,600
black in the game changer network i'm

4507
03:00:12,790 --> 03:00:09,040
your host jimmy church

4508
03:00:15,830 --> 03:00:12,800
tomorrow night show number 1401

4509
03:00:19,830 --> 03:00:15,840
it's thursday it's fader night

4510
03:00:30,070 --> 03:00:19,840
until then i want everybody to be safe